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Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by leetcrew on Friday October 09, 2020 @09:58AM (#24729945)
if having a warehouse in germany is so unattractive that it's better to put them in poland and ship everything across the border, isn't that more of a problem with germany than amazon?

edit: okay, that was a bit glib. but isn't complaining about this sort of thing at odds with the idea of an integrated european economy?

Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by durnygbur on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:01AM (#24729971)
> isn't that more of a problem with germany than amazon?

On top of unions and a desperate neighbour, Germany has saturated retail market including world's 5th biggest Schwarz Gruppe who certainly are not happy with a new foreign competitor, but that's a topic for many dissertations.

Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by jasonv on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:14AM (#24730087)
Reno is in the same spot. The number of Tesla, Walmart and Amazon trucks clogging I-80 at all hours of the day is astonishing. It also clogs the highway and impedes traffic. I wish they could put a toll or ban trucks from 7am to 7pm so people can get over the hill without tracking trains of trucks. Not sure how this could be solved without an effort of some kind, but as far as o can tell, there are zero policies guiding their behavior.
Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by athms on Friday October 09, 2020 @06:58PM (#24735272)
I am sure Nevada's lack of income tax and the tax breaks the state gives, plus Reno's proximity to California is the reason logistics is centered there. Reno sells itself as the West Coast shipping hub.

Pretty much everything I order from Amazon these days comes from Nevada even though I am in Silicon Valley. I know Amazon has several warehouses in California, but I have never seen any order originate from California. The company probably uses them as local distribution points for its own shipping service.

Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by CameronNemo on Friday October 09, 2020 @11:52AM (#24731110)
Wow I had no idea this was happening. I wonder if taxing the hell out of these trucks would tip the scales toward moving the logistics closer to the destination market, which I presume is the bay area and peripherals.
Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by anoncake on Friday October 09, 2020 @11:17AM (#24730681)
It's really a problem with the EU. Its member states still compete with each other too much, companies shouldn't be able to shop around for the laxest labour laws like that.
Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by leetcrew on Friday October 09, 2020 @11:35AM (#24730894)
preface: likely an ignorant opinion from an american.

from across the pond, it looks like the richer EU countries (eg, germany) essentially want to have it both ways. they want to have strong worker protections and prevent poorer EU countries from enabling labor arbitrage, all while having relatively unencumbered trade within the EU. at the same time, they don't want to provide the economic aid to the poorer countries that would reduce the incentive to do this sort of thing. seems like a "pick one" type of situation.

Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by jakub_g on Friday October 09, 2020 @11:57AM (#24731169)
This is absolutely true. Another example:

- French (and German) companies own most of supermarket chains in Poland: good.

- Polish long-distance truck delivery companies are among the most competitive in EU due to lower costs of workforce: bad, France has been lobbying hard against them for years.

Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by kyuudou on Friday October 09, 2020 @11:27AM (#24730804)
I disagree, consumers should be able to decide if they want to buy a product or not and do their due diligence investigating the producer.

The countries where labor is cheaper benefit by getting more work and ultimately they uplift themselves.

Now, if it comes out that such labor is abused or managed corruptly and so forth, that is a product I will not knowingly or willingly buy.

Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by anoncake on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:40PM (#24732995)
In the real world, customers don't actually do that and in fact cannot for everything they buy. Regulation is simply more efficient and effective.
Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by kyuudou on Friday October 09, 2020 @04:15PM (#24733959)
>Regulation is simply more efficient and effective.

And that efficiency and effectiveness benefit an elite few. If people continue to "wake up" globally, becoming increasingly empowered by technology and democratizing philosophies, they will come to the logical conclusion that they can "vote" with their currency. Companies will definitely fucking pay attention if people stop buying their shit.

For example, I've taken the "buy local as possible" ethic to its logical extreme, realizing for example that I have to make compromises for things like consumer electronics. "The real world", as you say. But I think it's defeatist to just buy the cheapest junk you can afford in complete disregard of its means and origin of manufacture unless that's the only solution.

Just today, I was shopping around where to buy Sid Meier's Memoirs book since I just learned about it today on HN. I could elect the easy, lazy, one-world-ruled-by-Bezos path and click Amazon to save a few cents and get it delivered a day less, or I could go the slightly less convenient but more positive route of Indiebound.

Re:Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competito... by anoncake on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:01PM (#24735290)
You got that backwards. Elites are the ones that benefit from letting people "vote" with money – since they have more of it. That is the opposite of democracy.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to make ethical choices and just wait to regulation. But it is rarely sufficient. Boycotting a company as an individual has very little effect on the company but does inconvenience the individual. Doing that can feel good but it's actually pretty irrational. Organized boycotts are much more effective. And regulation is the ultimate (threat to) boycott.

If technology turned people into enlightened, selfless beings things would be different. I don't see that happening, to the contrary.

Furthermore, people have limited time and energy. They can't investigate in detail every product they consume.