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Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by sneak on Thursday October 08, 2020 @06:47PM (#24724760)
It’s a bummer that Coinbase’s ploy to intentionally conflate not supporting the Black Lives Matter movement (that is, a clear implicit endorsement of the status quo) with generalized left/right-political-activism-at-work seems to have worked, at least for a lot of people who aren’t paying attention.

This isn’t about office politics, or political activism at work. This is about Coinbase making an explicit vote for the status quo of American racism, and trying to deflect the heat they’re taking for that by confusing people into thinking that this is about standard political discussion.

It makes me really angry that they would do this.

It makes me really sad that it worked.

I guess with that much money you can hire really good PR people to shape the narrative into exactly what you want, and dupe tons of people who are rightfully tired of the american culture war into thinking that this has anything to do with that.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by muzika on Thursday October 08, 2020 @08:36PM (#24725516)
The reality is thar vast majority of those who do not support the BLM movement are not at all racist. I believe that this movement has made our society more racist and divided than it was before.
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Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by anm89 on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:45AM (#24727199)
Care to quote the part of the parent comment where he said anything remotely like that?

This is obnoxious, dishonest, bullying.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by webkike on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:28PM (#24731542)
I’m responding to “I believe that this movement has made our society more racist and divided than it was before.” Effectively this means the parent thinks that no movement should be made at all, ergo the status quo should continue. You can debate the merits of the demands that BLM puts forth but how on earth is this not implying that the protests in response to police killings are making society more racist?
Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by remarkEon on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:20PM (#24726429)
>This is about Coinbase making an explicit vote for the status quo of American racism, and trying to deflect the heat they’re taking for that by confusing people into thinking that this is about standard political discussion.

One of my favorite things about this new type of political activism is that words no longer mean what we all understood them to mean in ages past. "Explicit" would mean something along the lines of Coinbase or Armstrong saying "we support the status quo of American racism", as you have alleged. Alas, I've read all these blog posts and there is no sentence that matches or even could be remotely construed to resemble the one you have wrote.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by sneak on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:41PM (#24733641)
Context matters. When you say to someone, for example, that you're going to do X unless they object, and they stand silent, then their silence is, in that instance, interpreted as explicit consent for you to do X in many legal circumstances.

A good example recently from current events was the US president being asked in a press conference to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, "win, lose, or draw". He responded with "we'll have to see what happens". In the context of the question being posed, that's a clear and explicit failure to commit, given that context.

Context can entirely invert the meaning of two identical statements, and, in the right context, a failure to do a certain thing, or even remaining silent, can indeed be an explicit statement.

Another case comes from 2013, Salinas v Texas, when the police were questioning a murder suspect who suddenly became quiet during questioning when the topic turned to the murder. They were able to use this sudden silence as incriminating circumstantial evidence, given that specific context. This resulted in silence in the face of questioning by the government having to be explicitly invoked as such to not be potentially incriminating, which is an odd state of affairs and probably not the best outcome, but you can however tell that those judges weren't completely insane. Silence after saying "I affirmatively invoke my right to remain silent" is very different than silence after you were just answering police questions voluntarily, until they asked you about a murder they thought you committed.

Silence can speak volumes, explicitly, given the circumstances preceding and surrounding that silence.

Desmond Tutu, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, once said:

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by remarkEon on Friday October 09, 2020 @05:19PM (#24734554)
Of course context matters, but you're still conflating or redefining words here. Each of your examples is an example of implicit agreement, not explicit, because of the context provided. That's what context does ... it allows you to make an inference about how people are feeling or thinking about a certain topic when they don't explicitly say so. Your inference may be right, but it may also be wrong.

If in your parent comment you had accused Coinbase/Armstrong of implicitly supporting the status quo (as you define it) I would've said "yeah, sure, if I squint hard enough and wash it through the 'silence is violence' filters I can see how you'd think that".

Another troubling thing I want to point out here is your comment is part of an accelerating trend where people, particularly from but not limited to those on the left, consistently attribute maximum malice of intent to peoples' comments (said and unsaid) or their actions. That is, imo, one of the reasons these environments are so toxic, because people are immediately put on the defensive.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by sneak on Friday October 09, 2020 @06:15PM (#24734973)
"Choosing to be nonpolitical" is an explicit statement of non-support for things like BLM.
Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by remarkEon on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:07AM (#24736808)
Well, back in the day in Eastern Europe choosing to be "nonpolitical" was an explicit endorsement of Fascism, according to the Communists.

Two can play this game.

And it is a game.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by tomp on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:22AM (#24726800)
What if I don’t like the status quo, and I also don’t like the solution offered by Black Lives Matter?
Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by sneak on Friday October 09, 2020 @06:19PM (#24735005)
Then you are free to continue believing that black lives don't matter, as is everyone else who shares those views.

Given enough time, your being incorrect on the topic will only harm yourself, not others.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by scollet on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:59AM (#24726974)
You've found a spectrum!
Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by beaner on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:09PM (#24726034)
I think this very view is likely what made the coinbase workplace so toxic and uninviting. "Black lives matter" is a statement that everyone already agrees with. "Black Lives Matter" is a political organization with political objectives, including the de-emphasis of the nuclear family, socialist economics, and explicit financial funnelling to the Democrat party.

It's a moral "package deal." The idea being that if you reject BLM for its bad politics, you reject that black lives matter. And if you accept it, you also accept a bunch of other shit you're not actually for.

BLM should be recognized for the moral "package deal" that it is, and vehemently rejected. It's dishonest.

It's not Coinbase that is conflating anything, BLM itself is a conflation of ideas.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by sneak on Friday October 09, 2020 @11:27AM (#24730803)
> "Black lives matter" is a statement that everyone already agrees with.

The fact that you believe that is probably most of the problem.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by beaner on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:34PM (#24731620)
Oh come on. Have you ever tried to find one person who actually, literally believes that the lives of black people do not matter?

You'll certainly find 11-year olds in Call of Duty who will say it for shits and giggles to control you; you won't find anybody who actually believes it.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by sneak on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:45PM (#24733680)
I personally know dozens of people who don't care at all about black lives one way or the other. I've seen hundreds more that I don't know personally demonstrate that belief publicly, many of them police officers.

The disparities in policing, application of police violence, and prosecution are well-documented.

This is why the movement exists. It's a real problem, whether you personally have experienced it or not, whether you personally wish to acknowledge it or not.

There are many people out there who simply do not think that it matters whether or not black people live or die. Many of them are in uniform.

Re:A follow up to Coinbase being a mission focused company by beaner on Friday October 09, 2020 @09:38PM (#24736095)
The statistics are well known, and they do not support your conclusion.