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Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by dmurray on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:28PM (#24720705)
In that case, do you think that Apple is incompetent for not stumping up $250k or less for an external pentester to find these bugs? Plus maybe $100k more for an internal PM/point of contact for the pentester? Or do you think Apple handled it fine, the expected cost to the business of their security holes was less than $350k and they could just wait for them to come through the bug bounty program or for internal engineers to find them?
Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by tptacek on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:32PM (#24720747)
I think everything is complicated, and that is certainly isn't as simple as "Apple should pay paid $250k to a pentesting firm to find these bugs", because you could keep paying $250k over and over again and keep finding different bugs of comparable severity.
Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by stirlo on Thursday October 08, 2020 @07:38PM (#24725126)
And finding these bugs of comparable severity isn't worth the $250k each time?

I can easily see the iCloud photo worming one making it's way into mainstream media and causing millions of dollars of reputational damage.

Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by tptacek on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:30PM (#24735445)
It's not a question of whether any spot assessment is worth $250k (though: Apple can get a sitewide pentest from experts for substantially less than that). It's a question of whether paying that continuously is worth it, or whether that many can be spent more productively on something else.

For what it's worth, "reputational damage" has always been a kind of rhetorical escape hatch from arguments that have become too mired in facts.