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Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by TheRealPomax on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:29AM (#24720026)
A classic false comparison: the four experienced security researchers working for multiple months covers 55 issues, not "that one issue".

If we're cherry picking a single one, the associated involvement and timeframe drops dramatically, to something much closer to one or two people, tops, over the course of just a few days, tops.

That's something a pentesting team can absolutely achieve for far less than $500,000 over the course of a few days, too.

Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by saagarjha on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:36AM (#24720110)
I’m unsure what your point is? I see dozens of different issues listed in the post, on different endpoints, all of which presumably took time to find. When they said they had a team of multiple people work for months on this, I am unsure why you think they haven’t spent their time as efficiently as “a pentesting team”. Actually, I’ll be stronger: looking through the list of things they discovered, it seems like they were absolutely churning out vulnerabilities for the entire period. A real team would have certainly cost much more than what they’ve currently been paid.
Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by sillysaurusx on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:56AM (#24720336)
Issue count != time spent. I found about a dozen issues in a day once. And once, it took me three days to find one.

Always found at least a medium severity issue though.

Big engagements were typically a week, max. Usually one day of kickoff / getting “in the zone” for a project, three or so days of intensive testing, then the final day is usually writing reports (ugh, reports) all day.

Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by kchr on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:39AM (#24727172)
Sounds about right. :-)
Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by tptacek on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:30PM (#24735449)
It's not. The median appsec engagement is ~4 person-weeks.
Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by tptacek on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:54AM (#24720321)
A real team would have certainly cost much more than what they’ve currently been paid.

Yes, but that's a shared premise in this subthread already.

Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by soperj on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:48AM (#24720240)
There's really 2 options here. One, Apple doesn't employ a pen-testing team currently, which would be nuts, or, two, the pen-testing team couldn't find these bugs, or they'd already be found.
Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by tptacek on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:51AM (#24720296)
Apple has product security teams, in infra security team that covers a lot of this web attack surface, a large red team, researchers, and employs 3rd party firms to do sitewide tests.

Apple is also huge, and no huge company avoids vulnerabilities; staff as ambitiously as you want, but any disjoint group of competent testers attacking a new target is going to find a disjoint set of bugs.

Re:We Hacked Apple for 3 Months by TheRealPomax on Friday October 09, 2020 @04:16PM (#24733965)
Or option 3: apple is HUGE, in all respects: physical space, people with access, code base, etc. etc. and they already have plenty of teams in place, but a bug bounty program is a cheap supplemental. In which case paying out more for your bug bounty program than you pay your real teams would be really weird.