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Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by garbagetime on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:30AM (#24716450)
What's an example of something that's unfalsifiable in theory?
Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by newsbinator on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:29AM (#24716773)
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_My_Garage

> "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

> "Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.

> "Where's the dragon?" you ask.

> "Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

> You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

> "Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

> Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

> "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

> You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

> "Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."

> And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

> Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all?

> If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists?

> Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true.

> Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder.

Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by garbagetime on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:51AM (#24716898)
Well, if the dragon exists it must have the characteristics of a dragon. Let's say it must be an animal with four legs and a tail. Currently it's unknown whether all animals are q-conscious[1]. Let's say it is discovered that all animals are q-conscious. Therefore the invisible dragon is q-conscious.

Currently we don't really understand qualia, but one mainstream theory is that qualia are a different kind of thing to anything else we know about (i.e. are non-physical).

Let's say this theory is true, and, further, that a method for detecting this different kind of thing is detected. That the dragon is invisible, floats, is heatless, is incorporeal, doesn't matter.

The theory that there is a dragon in the garage is falsifiable by the observation that a scan for qualia results negative.

You could say "ah, but this dragon is the dragon of any-test-you-can-come-up-with-doesn't-work, therefore you can't come up with any test which would work". But that would be begging the question.

[1]That is, all animals have qualia.

Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by pantulis on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:13AM (#24716684)
The existence of God.
Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by dspillett on Thursday October 08, 2020 @06:28AM (#24717773)
Will be disproven by the existence of bablefish. Already has been in less backwards parts of the galaxy than ours.
Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by pantulis on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:49PM (#24720984)
Sorry didn’t understand the bablefish reference, why does that disprove the existence of god?

(I could define myself as an atheist anyway so this is really a non issue for me)

Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by dspillett on Friday October 09, 2020 @08:23AM (#24729159)
It is from the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuumnjJWFO4#t=2m07 for the TV version's rendition of this bit.

If you've not yet experienced H2G2 I suggest tracking down the original radio version before the books, TV, or more modern film - it is widely available to buy in various formats. It is justly recognized as a classic.

Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by staticman2 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:06PM (#24726014)
It's a reference to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy novels.
Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by dspillett on Friday October 09, 2020 @08:26AM (#24729176)
Well, the original radio series upon which the first two books were very closely based, to be pedantic!
Re:An earlier universe can still be observed today, says Rog... by garbagetime on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:21AM (#24716724)
Falsifiable by the observance that there is no God. If we get a view of the supernatural it might be clear that there is no God.