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Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by FireBeyond on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @06:37PM (#24713623)
> - Tesla's build quality is quite bad

I think I've seen people advertising, literally, "Ship your brand new Tesla to me, and I'll get the body work/alignment perfect and ship it on to you" services. Not sure how real, or valid, but something of an indictment.

> - Tesla's false promises on Autopilot and Full Self Driving is a disgrace. They are at-least 20 years away from anything resembling close to L4, but still somehow siphon $8k from buyers with a false promise

Yeah, at this point it's almost Kickstarter-esque (for better, and worse).

Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by sk5t on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @07:53PM (#24714192)
> I think I've seen people advertising, literally, "Ship your brand new Tesla to me, and I'll get the body work/alignment perfect and ship it on to you" services. Not sure how real, or valid, but something of an indictment.

Hah! This kind of service exists for top-tier saxophones. Spend $6,000 or whatever for a Selmer Paris horn, then take it to a technician to "set up" the springs, pads, etc.

Nevertheless it is pretty sad when GM is knocking out junk with better body/panel QC.

Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by ethbr0 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:13PM (#24715300)
> Nevertheless it is pretty sad when GM is knocking out junk with better body/panel QC.

You would think they'd have learned something about manufacturing mass market automobiles in 100 years of business...

Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by sk5t on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:23PM (#24715361)
The challenge with GM is to get them to care about a quality issue when there is otherwise $2 to be pocketed. Like, it's not that GM doesn't know how. The funny thing is to compare a vehicle where nobody would even expect GM to think about caring--maybe a Traverse or a Terrain (not a Corvette!)--and even that is better than Tesla's panel fit.
Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by ethbr0 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:26AM (#24719341)
My hypothesis (not being an industrial engineer) is that most inputs to panel fit are more capital & process (one-time) than operational (per-car) expenses.

If GM developed a tight-tolerance process & machinery for the Corvette, it's probably a wash (capital cost vs standardization of process) to just apply it to their other lines, albeit relaxing the specs to increase yield.

I'm not saying GM has been innovating continuously, but my experience with long-lived processes is that instantaneous improvement is far harder than continual improvement (iterating fixes), due to the specific variables and lagging feedback in play.

Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by dreamcompiler on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:56AM (#24715983)
Except for a few niche lines, GM forgot how to build quality cars in the 1970s. Quality hasn't been part of their DNA for a long, long time.
Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by ethbr0 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:21AM (#24719285)
They optimized for profit. That's what post-1970s capitalist companies do.

Decrease quality, retain enough customers, make more profit.

Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by ragazzina on Thursday October 08, 2020 @05:30AM (#24717426)
>Hah! This kind of service exists for top-tier saxophones.

It's the same for TVs. Spend 2000€ for an OLED TV, then 300€ to have it calibrated.

Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by lumost on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:30AM (#24715810)
Last I saw, the FSD suite did contain enough autonomy and safety features that it was the leading electronic safety packages on the market. Have other automakers caught up yet?
Re:Roof blows off new Tesla Model Y by tuatoru on Thursday October 08, 2020 @01:00AM (#24716008)
Not sure where you saw this, but it's a very small minority view among people who have a broad knowledge of ADASes.