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Re:Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking... by BoorishBears on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @05:50PM (#24713163)
> So the question is whether these features fall under "saving some people and killing others" or if they fall under "saving less people".

There are separate sets of features that you can't just glue together, they're not even offered together, you have to pay separately for the second set.

One set saves people, one set kills people. The set that kills people, doesn't save people.

You think it's ok to sell the set that kills people because they have a set thats save people.

I know it's not ok to sell features that kill people and don't save anyone. It'd be one thing if it could save people, but it doesn't. The other set does that.

This set just kills people. Doesn't save anyone.

Stop selling it.

Simple as that.

Re:Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @07:24PM (#24714005)
> You think it's ok to sell the set that kills people because they have a set thats save people.

Only if all three of the following are true:

A) they both affect the same risk factor (Just because they're "separate" features and sold separately doesn't make this false. And the way the autopilot is so intertwined with the others, I don't think it's really fair to say they are truly separate features. They build upon each other.)

B) it's impossible to run the dangerous one without the safety one

C) running both is safer than running neither

If you want to make cars safer, then you should be insisting that all cars be safer. The car that kills people because it lacks any of these electronics is just as bad.

To elaborate on (A), with these particular features I don't see the car as causing distinct people to die compared to who it's saving. It's not trading between different groups of people in any meaningful way. It's just a single number of how many people die per mile. With other features you could get into that moral dilemma. With these features I don't think it does.