Leaving Mozilla

Re:Leaving Mozilla by m12k on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @10:40AM (#24708720)

It's a common pattern: The main revenue source (in this case licensing money from Google) isn't cutting it/drying up, so the company tries all sorts of things to try to come up with another success. In reality they're just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks, which is usually not a recipe for success, but you also can't really fault them for trying - when no really good plan B ever materializes so you can just go all in on that, you're left with the scattershot approach, or just lying down and dying.

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by bronson on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:05AM (#24709000)

Or C, shrink down to the size you should have been all along.

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by toomuchtodo on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:51AM (#24709436)

This is unlikely to occur due to management incentives (grow clout, influence, status, etc).

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by cutemonster on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @06:39PM (#24713648)

What's a way to find/hire people who are immune to such things

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by thatguy0900 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @10:37PM (#24715075)

I would think you'd have to hire someone who doesn't want the job to begin with

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by cutemonster on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:32PM (#24731599)

Hmm, My thoughts are more like hiring someone who cares a lot about the company's higher goals and vision, more than about his/her own career.

Maybe that's not possible to find in traditional profit maximizing companies, because who cares about maximizing the shareholders' profits

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by thatguy0900 on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:25PM (#24732841)

I was thinking more along the lines of old political leaders who willingly gave up power, like george Washington or Marcus Aurelius. Yeah, I agree. Maybe you could find someone who cared about some companies, but most companies don't have a vision at all. Is there anyone who actually deeply cares about nestles higher vision? I think if you could find someone both willing and able to do will as ceo while being completely uninterested in being a ceo it would go well, but there can't be many of those people.

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by cutemonster on Sunday October 11, 2020 @08:37AM (#24745377)

George Washington seems like a good example to me -- then I understand what you mean. (I read on Wikipedia about Marcus Aurelius but didn't find anything except for that he was a stoic thinker? What that now means)

And maybe it's possible to find such people, like GW, for non executive roles, too.

What if maybe Nestle doesn't actually have a vision?

If they just picked words that sound good, as a PR thing, to sell more?

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by thatguy0900 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:10PM (#24769058)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus probably because I was thinking of this guy, Marcus Aurelius just said he didn't want to be emporer but did it as a duty to the state, got them mixed up. I think nestle not having a vision is the reason it won't ever have a moral ceo, though, there's no reason for anyone to push a moral person to the top when morality will probably produce less results. Even if you find such people it's hard to promote them without a sense of ethics at the top I think.

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by cutemonster on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:01PM (#24791625)

Thanks for the link, interesting to read :-)

Hmm yes maybe in a way, some organizations can be "immune" to becoming more ethical / less depraved

Maybe the way to handle that, is to start another organization and try to out complete the wicked one

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by causality0 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @01:01PM (#24710245)

Or D, go back to what built the organization in the first place instead of trying to be a non-evil version of Google.

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by whizzter on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @12:27PM (#24709820)

The biggest problem is that they're still doing B but they threw C under the bus (without a security team i don't see a bright future once the exploits come rolling in and when they finally realize C was the option all trust will be gone)

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by dblohm7 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @12:53PM (#24710152)

Contrary to Twitter speculation, we never had just one single security team, nor did we eliminate it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24659174

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by krspykrm on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @01:09PM (#24710334)

> The main revenue source (in this case licensing money from Google) isn't cutting it/drying up

If Firefox weren't bleeding market share this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

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Re:Leaving Mozilla by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @01:33PM (#24710606)

The market-share bleed is ... amplified or mitigated, depending on your viewpoint ... by the absolute dominance of handheld Android devices (defaulting and manditory intalls of Google Chrome).

Firefox has slid some on desktop, but not nearly as much as broad numbers suggest.

Put differently: desktop is increasingly irrelevant to the modern Web. Which itself is likely not a good thing.

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Late edit: Safari's marketshare, overall and by desktop/mobile segment, is virtually identical with its device share. Party like it's 1998.

Which suggests Mozilla's attempt at a mobile OS was not entirely misguided. It's preloads, bundling, and tying all over again.

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