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Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by TuringNYC on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @07:12PM (#24703540)
This is so true. In fact we've seen this happen already. Once big-tech started paying market salaries, their applicant:position ratio has exploded to 100:1. In a prior era, those same workers might have gone to Wall St or Strategy Consulting.

The Market works. Pay fair wages and your personnel problems go away.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by ghaff on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @07:23PM (#24703630)
And you just cut services that customers want but aren't willing to pay for. Which will likely happen with a lot of the gig economy as-a-service things currently being subsidized.

Or stay more pedestrian. Grocery baggers in the US basically went away for a while. I assuume they came back based in part on what grocery stores had to pay for them to work.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by jojobas on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @09:36PM (#24704431)
If you're not willing to pay the service provider a living wage you don't really want the service.
Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by ghaff on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @10:57PM (#24704903)
Are you suggesting that the many people using Uber or arguably eat at McDonalds don’t want that service at some level?
Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by TuringNYC on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @09:37AM (#24708014)
I'm not the commenter, but I'd argue that people who want a service but don't want to pay the cost are irrational and perhaps we should not worry about pleasing them?

Suppose I want a new BMW and I want to pay no more than $300 for it. This doesn't mean that we should force BMW workers to work for free -- it means that my expectations are not rational.

Similiar, if I want a 10km Uber ride for $1, which costs less than even gas, the desire is irrational. Why should workers have to work for free to satisfy this consumer's irrational desire?

Same thing for grocery baggers "disappearing" -- of course they disappeared, there was a pandemic. They werent being paid for the risks of bagging groceries.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by ghaff on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:20AM (#24709161)
>Same thing for grocery baggers "disappearing"

I'm talking about in the 80s or so when a lot of things started switching to more self-service. My local supermarkets have baggers today and you're literally not allowed to bag yourself.

I don't see there being anything irrational about not wanting to pay the price for certain services. And I don't expect either individuals or companies to sell me things on terms that aren't attractive to them. But that doesn't mean I don't want those things even if I accept that I can't have them on terms acceptable to both myself and the person providing them.