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Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by mc32 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:08PM (#24702888)
Why not make companies sponsor underprivileged kids who need the opportunity just as much but don’t get as much consideration?
Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by bufferoverflow on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:16PM (#24702988)
Start a company and see how much it costs to sponsor some uneducated kid.

You have good intentions towards the kids, but some communist intentions towards business owners. Let them decide how to spend their money. It's their money.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by phonebanshee on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @09:06PM (#24704274)
Businesses should have the expectation that they can hire zero H1B workers. The suggestion is that they do something in exchange for that privilege.
Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by bufferoverflow on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:30AM (#24709241)
Not being able to hire H1B workers is a privilege?
Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by rbultje on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:12PM (#24702943)
Because educating underprivileged kids takes up to 20 years(school, college, potential post-grad studies), whereas the H1B worker can start immediately. H1B workers also typically have several years experience in the specific position where they're being considered. You need both.
Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by mc32 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:27PM (#24703106)
Some H1Bs are talented, many, many copy paste.

Yes it takes years to develop talent. It’s not easy. But these are the same companies who throw money to the wind for the purpose of empty virtue signaling and making some connected politicos happy. Why not devote that money to real causes that actually provide hope for kids rather than fill the pockets of people who know how to shake corps down?

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by acituan on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:48PM (#24703285)
Because a good chunk of immigrants are underpriviliged kids of the world, when you compare the GDP levels of their home countries to the US.

That and US doesn’t need to pay a dime for them developing their skills while getting to skim the cream of the crop.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by mc32 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @07:01PM (#24703442)
It’s not the responsibility of the US govt, companies or people to underwrite other countries’ underprivileged people when we have our own we fail to care for well enough.

We had a revolution and a civil war and unrest to fix our own failures. They can work to improve their own self determination. Look, Panama 25 years ago was a basket case. But now they are one of the better economies of the southern cone.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by acituan on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:40PM (#24704138)
> we have our own we fail to care for well enough.

Tell me more of this “our own”. 25% of the current US population is either 1st or 2nd gen immigrants arrived after immigration reform of 1965. They include the innovators, laborers, entrepreneurs, researchers that pay a lot for your “our own”. Can’t eat the cake and have it too.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by mc32 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:57PM (#24704223)
Yes first or second generation Americans (or long established Americans) don’t owe anyone else any responsibility. They only owe their descendants and fellow Americans here. They don’t owe non descendants elsewhere anything. It’s not like they can go back to their grandparents country and say hey, remember my grandparents, they were from here, I need help, help me out over here!
Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by kelnos on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @02:42AM (#24705864)
> It’s not like they can go back to their grandparents country and say hey, remember my grandparents, they were from here, I need help, help me out over here!

That's not entirely true everywhere though. For example, I was born in the US, as were my parents and grandparents. My great-grandparents immigrated from Italy, and if I can gather the proper documentation, I'm eligible for Italian citizenship. If I ever get this done, then yes, I could indeed go back to my great-grandparents' country and do what you suggest is silly. I believe quite a few other countries also have policies like this.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by stale2002 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @02:29AM (#24705796)
> Can’t eat the cake and have it too.

It actually kind of seems like we can do this. We do that by increasing the visa requirements, as this new directive is doing so.

Re:Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa progr... by bufferoverflow on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @09:13PM (#24704305)
Importing the most educated, most entrepreneurial people is the most sane immigration policy.

It's infinitely better than importing huge numbers of uneducated fundamentalists whose culture is incompatible with the western values and includes throwing gays off of roofs.

It's better to have a few shining examples of truly great countries in the world, rather than mediocre mush everywhere. So citizens of other countries can point to such countries and tell their politicians and their friends - see, we can do better, much better.