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Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by q845712 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:35PM (#24699647)
I lived in the midwest for over a decade and am married to a midwesterner. I'm also ethnically one of the 'model minorities' so to some people I'm white, while to white supremacists I'm assuredly not.

Most people in most places are basically friendly. However. Even just being recognize you as 'other' can get old, like being asked "where are you from" or riding the bus in Chicago and having to answer questions about my ethnicity from whoever was feeling tipsy enough to ask them.

Here's one story of folks being un-friendly: I was at a public event, basically a version of a county fair with my wife's family somewhere in the rural midwest. There's a stage with small-name bands performing, food vendors, and a small carnival-ride section. As the sun sets we lose track of her parents, and as we're looking for them I also got separated from my wife. I felt like the crowd was also slowly changing and like I was starting to attract attention in the form of unfriendly looks. I find my wife and try to express this, but her face clearly says it's all in my head and why am I talking about anything other than how we can find her parents. Just then a physically imposed man walks up, plants himself firmly in front of me, and asks in the least friendly way possible, "how's it going brother?" I answer him in unaccented neutral native-born american english (don't remember what i said, but likely something like "good how you doin"), and my wife is like, "ok you're right, we have to find my parents and leave."

So just to be clear - I can't know what might have been, but I strongly suspect that having grown up here and being a native speaker made that evening simpler. And again, I'm someone who many people look at and just process as "white" so I can easily take my experiences as a shallow sample from the tip of the iceberg.

And that kind of "unfriendly" experience is something that happens more often if i leave coastal metropolitan areas.

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by zdragnar on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:05PM (#24700036)
I'm white, live in the midwest, and get asked all the time where I'm from. It's a form of small talk around here, where everyone knows everyone, or you might have grown up near someone they knew. Not too different from talking about the weather (though we do that more often, as well).
Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by HelloFellowDevs on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:24PM (#24700228)
There's the small talk version of that, but then there's the following question of "where are you really from?" if you give them a less exotic answer than they were expecting.

Edit: wording

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by crocodiletears on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:18PM (#24700163)
This has been exactly my experience. 'Where are you from, where were you raised?' are the first questions after 'where do you work, what do you do for a living?'
Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by specialist on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:22PM (#24700208)
As you well know, it's more the how than the what.
Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by jjeaff on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:58AM (#24709506)
If you are white, then take how many times you get asked "where are you from" and multiply it by 10. Then decide if you don't think it would get annoying.

It's rarely out of malice. But that doesn't really matter. If you get asked it enough, you will start to feel like you don't belong.

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by zdragnar on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @01:16PM (#24710425)
There aren't enough people here to do that (that I actually speak to at least).

As an aside, I have a last name with an unusual spelling. Literally everyone who sees it asks how it is pronounced, followed by where it is from. It is just a fact of life.

By asking the question, people clearly want to know more. Sure, they might be asking the wrong question, but the reality is, they are trying to include you.

If people didn't want you to belong, they would just make the assumption on their own and not ask (and probably avoid talking to you altogether).

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by asdff on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:39PM (#24700399)
Surely you've experienced personally or seen firsthand the following microagression on a regular basis living in the midwest as I have, in a city that reliably votes 85% democrat no less:

"Where are you from?"

"Cleveland Heights."

"No, but like, where are you from?"

implying that this brown individual must surely have wound up from some far flung corner of the world, and that they couldn't have possibly been a native born person.

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by zdragnar on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @02:01PM (#24700597)
I actually have been asked what country I am from. I don't have a heavy accent (there are far heavier than mine further out in the boonies) but apparently enough of one.

What of it? If you have some characteristic that is unusual (within a group such as local community) people will notice and be curious.

That is basic human nature, not lack of friendliness or malice.

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by asdff on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @02:58PM (#24701143)
It's prodding into personal details that many draw the line with. You might not have a problem with it, but I've personally heard from a few different people how they get annoyed with those sorts of questions being leveled at them all the time, simply because they didn't look white. Aziz Ansari even joked about this a few times during Parks and Recreation, it's such a common phenomenon. Imagine seeing someone who might have some sort of disability then asking them if they were insert disability you are unqualified to diagnose but assume they have. That would be considered pretty rude.
Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by DetroitThrow on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @02:36PM (#24700904)
This might just be an issue of regional vocabulary though I'm sure it's used in the presumptuous way you describe as well, the underlying question isn't necessarily unfriendly or borne of a discriminatory attitude - in a Midwestern town right now, but I can recall a few weeks ago actually this exact conversation between my American friend who's from a Pakistani background and a female census taker who was from South Asia.

In her case, she used the exact same vocabulary but it was much more obvious she didn't mean to imply that they weren't native born because she herself was not native. Context is important in conversation, but there is such a thing as regional mannerisms. On the west coast my vocabulary was certainly brought up for being just a tinge different.

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by DetroitThrow on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:48PM (#24699832)
Just curious... What ethnicity are you? On the west coast, outside of a couple cities, my experience has been the opposite - though I'm of a darker complexion.

And I'm not too fond of rural attitudes on race anywhere - if the rural west coast is somehow different, I'd love to hear your contrasting anecdotes. I know on the east coast it's certainly not the case.

Re:Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in thes... by jacobriis on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:51PM (#24699864)
"Even just being recognize you as 'other' can get old, like being asked "where are you from" or riding the bus in Chicago and having to answer questions about my ethnicity from whoever was feeling tipsy enough to ask them."

Chicago, infamous MAGA country.

Where the city buses are ruled by white supremacists harassing all innocent people who look different from them!

In a city that is only 31.7% non-Hispanic white, they have a lot of work to do!