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Re:Chromecast with Google TV by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:14PM (#24642534)
Combing both Chromecast and Android TV (e.g. Nvidia Shield) has a less than 10% market share.

Making it smaller than Samsung, Amazon, and much smaller than Roku (market leader). It seems to have a hardcore audience that think the world of it (or who haven't tried anything else), but most of the market moved on years ago.

If anything this Google TV "Chromecast" is designed to make Chromecast relevant again.

Re:Chromecast with Google TV by vorpalhex on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:27PM (#24642683)
> If anything this Google TV "Chromecast" is designed to make Chromecast relevant again.

Chromecast has always had the issue that it's main users are the tech savvy who are comfortable controlling everything via smartphone. That's not a huge percent of the population.

By adding the remote and going for the play of helping you navigate cross app, they seem to be trying to extend out to less savvy users who need a more guided product.

Overall it seems like the longterm plan is to push their subscription services, since I can't imagine they make great money from the devices themselves. Increasing user base is the best way for them to achieve that goal.

Re:Chromecast with Google TV by AshleyGrant on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @05:07PM (#24643860)
I'm quite tech savvy, but I vastly prefer using a remote control that I don't need to look at to control the TV that I'm already looking at.
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by rektide on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @07:28PM (#24645327)
Worth asking where the gesture & other potential touchless interface experiments are. Project Soli was supposed to be the high tech radar option to let one gesture above a phone to control things, but just picking it up & using it like a wand would be not-hard to experiment with.
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by rektide on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @07:25PM (#24645306)
I'd consider how much software adoption there is for Google Cast (nee Chromecast). A good number of web pages have dedicated cast support (better than browser's built in support), for ex Spotify. Most podcast & audio apps on Android have Cast support (pocketcast, spotify, &c).

While there may be more appliances out there, & some popular ones, they are kind off all off on their own with some random native apps cobbled together out of whatever random sdk the hardware has. The apps almost never coordinate very well with your phone.

Cast is absolutely dominating. Playing a far better game than everyone else. Easy for developers to work with (so easy with the web platform support being built in). Software adoption within a web page makes all the sense & is so easy & flexible. We haven't even seen multi-phone "multiplayer" cast apps get popular but it's easy to do. No one else can compete.

Please let OpenScreenProtocol start getting some traction so we can continue advancing these capabilities & start freely building systems that can work together.

Re:Chromecast with Google TV by 555513 on Monday October 05, 2020 @05:27AM (#24685979)
Android TV is used by more than 160 operators worldwide, more than 150 TV brands and 80 retail devices.

That's not an "hardcore audience" to me. https://www.androidtv-guide.com/

Re:Chromecast with Google TV by kuprel on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:10PM (#24643221)
Isn't Amazon's FireOS just a modified version of Android?
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:28PM (#24643432)
Both are just a modified Linux.

They're distinct ecosystems though because Android TV/Chromecast use the Play Store for content/app delivery, whereas Fire TV/Samsung/Roku use their own respective stores.

If one supported both the Play Store and their own, the definitions might be more subject to question, but as it stands they don't officially allow that.

Re:Chromecast with Google TV by anoncareer0212 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:33PM (#24643478)
It's fairly straightforward, Amazon patches Android, not Linux.
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @06:26PM (#24644756)
To create their own distinct ecosystem, which is what we're discussing.

Pointing out both Android TV and Amazon Fire is Android OS based isn't particularly relevant to market mineshare. Linux too is used by both (and others), but it would be pretty strange to try to combine them all under a "Linux streaming stick" moniker.

Re:Chromecast with Google TV by anoncareer0212 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:32PM (#24643464)
Yes
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by andrew_ on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @05:07PM (#24643854)
Chromecast is still a hit with anyone who torrents or streams live TV from local sources, and VLC users.
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by mikecoles on Friday October 02, 2020 @08:33AM (#24661929)
I'm not believing it. Those folks are using Android boxes, but they're not from Google.

I'm sure someone followed instructions they found on Medium and want to show it off to their friends. That's fine. Those aren't the majority of users though.

For half the price of a Chromecast, Android STBs are the 'hit'.

Re:Chromecast with Google TV by andrew_ on Saturday October 03, 2020 @04:15PM (#24674389)
most of my friends are not into tech, yet they all own chromecast for exactly the reasons I cited. your milage may vary, but you have no reason not to believe it.
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @06:21PM (#24644708)
Isn't that the Nvidia Shield's niche with its local Plex support?
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by andrew_ on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @09:22PM (#24646213)
No clue, I'm on a Mac and no knowledge of Nvidia Shield. Plex is great for a lot of things but it's not perfect, has a lot of format support issues, and isn't as direct and fast as choosing a Chromecast Renderer in VLC
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by TulliusCicero on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:15PM (#24642549)
I've heard that outside the US, Android TV is very successful.
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by OkGoDoIt on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:47PM (#24643640)
At least in China, so many TVs and projectors and set top boxes use Android under the hood, but they are so heavily customized it’s sometimes hard to tell. And it’s definitely not standard “Android TV“
Re:Chromecast with Google TV by mikecoles on Friday October 02, 2020 @08:38AM (#24661956)
Android, yes. Google, no.

There are so many knockoffs of knockoffs of Android STBs that you usually pick them up for < $30.