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Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @03:43PM (#24632049)
BMW's Terberg YT202-EV electric tractor, tested~2015, comes to mind. Its route during trials was 2km, though the claimed range was 100 km. I strongly suspect the latter was slow and unloaded. Speed was restricted in any regard:

BMW and the SCHERM Group have put a massive 40-ton EV into service for a one-year pilot. The Terberg YT202-EV electric tractor will travel a 2 km route eight times a day between the SCHERM group logistics center and the BMW plant in Munich, transporting vehicle components such as shock absorbers, springs and steering systems.

The standard tractor has two batteries (112 kWh), and a third battery can be fitted for extended operations. It is equipped with a 138 kW, 720 N·m Siemens motor and an Allison 3000 transmission. Top speed is 25 mph.

The YT202-EV has a range of up to 100 kilometers (62 miles), theoretically enough for a full production day. BMW says it will be charged exclusively with renewable electricity, and will save 11.8 tons of CO2 annually compared to a legacy diesel truck.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/bmw-tests-40-ton-electric-tr...

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by LeifCarrotson on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @04:08PM (#24632331)
Even conservatively estimating 80% efficiency and 80% cruise speed, and estimating 25% peak power during cruise, that's:

    83.1 km = (112kWh x 80% x 25 mph x 1.6 km/mile x 80%) / (138 kW x 25%)
which is an armchair number plenty close to the claimed 100 kilometers. And if it only has to go 2 km eight times a day, it's going to use less than a third of its capacity.
Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by aidenn0 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @04:01PM (#24632260)
Unless they charged it at every stop, that's a 16 km drive between charges, not 2km. 112kWh is enough to run the 138kW motor for 48 minutes full-out. At 25mph, that's 32km, so driving without stops cannot be less than a 32km range, and is probably significantly more (trucks run closer to to full power while cruising than cars, but still not 100%).
Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @04:09PM (#24632347)
I may have understated somewhat.

Will you grant double digit km range? Still two orders of magnitude lower than a fuel-based truck in commercial operation?

150 gallons * 7 mpg = 1,050 mi / 1,690 km.

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by ianai on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:31AM (#24636436)
There’s more than just increasing capacity to address the range issue. Further, two digits of difference will be overcome sooner or later.
Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @10:09AM (#24638873)
Such as?

Petrochemical fuels afford a near unbeatable energy/volume and energy/mass density. The best theoretical battery might attain 1/10th this, practical batteries are nearer 1/100th, if that. A ~100 kWh battery holds the equivalent of 2 gallons / 8 litres of petrol or diesel.

Electrics have advantages of vastly more efficient potential-to-kinetic energy conversion (90%= rather than 30% for an ICE), a more efficient drivetrain (often in-wheel motors), and regenerative braking. Air and tyre drag are equivalent for both domains.

Capacity, energy management, and recharge access are all there is.

Two-order-of-magnitude improvements in any non-informational domain are both very hard-won and utterly transformational. Commercial passenger aircraft are ~2 orders of magnitude faster than walking. A semi-trailer has ~2 orders of magnitude more cargo capacity than a man with a wheelbarrow.

Getting two orders of magnitude out of long-haul road-based heavy-cargo EVs is a very tall order. Mains-fed electric trainsets would be a far more likely technology, and are extant and commercially proven

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by ianai on Thursday October 01, 2020 @12:32PM (#24652929)
One option is to have multiple vehicles and switch payloads or batteries.

As others noted, we’ve just started taking a serious interest in renovating rechargeable batteries for this use. Lots more can and will be done once the political will is there.

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Thursday October 01, 2020 @06:01PM (#24656602)
Possible, though greatly increasing capital costs, also complexity and coordination dynamics.
Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by aidenn0 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:14PM (#24643273)
I wonder how long haul trucks compare to passenger vehicles for energy efficiency.

Diesel engines tend to be more efficient the larger they are, with marine engines hitting 50% in fixed speed applications.

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @06:14PM (#24644634)
You'd want to compare net capacity as ton miles/gallon. Preferably as cargo rather than gross weight, though I'm using the latter for convenience.

Passenger cars net about 90 or so, for a high-efficiency vehicle, gross vehicular weight, at full capacity.

Assuming 140,000 lb GVWR and 7 mpg, I compute 490 ton-mpg. That's roughly equivalent to numbers given for rail ("move one ton of freight one mile on a gallon of fuel), and is likely high, though 100-250 ton-mpg seems likely.

This is not net cargo efficiency, where that rail number may come from. But gives a sense for numbers.