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Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by ianai on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:31AM (#24636436)
There’s more than just increasing capacity to address the range issue. Further, two digits of difference will be overcome sooner or later.
Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @10:09AM (#24638873)
Such as?

Petrochemical fuels afford a near unbeatable energy/volume and energy/mass density. The best theoretical battery might attain 1/10th this, practical batteries are nearer 1/100th, if that. A ~100 kWh battery holds the equivalent of 2 gallons / 8 litres of petrol or diesel.

Electrics have advantages of vastly more efficient potential-to-kinetic energy conversion (90%= rather than 30% for an ICE), a more efficient drivetrain (often in-wheel motors), and regenerative braking. Air and tyre drag are equivalent for both domains.

Capacity, energy management, and recharge access are all there is.

Two-order-of-magnitude improvements in any non-informational domain are both very hard-won and utterly transformational. Commercial passenger aircraft are ~2 orders of magnitude faster than walking. A semi-trailer has ~2 orders of magnitude more cargo capacity than a man with a wheelbarrow.

Getting two orders of magnitude out of long-haul road-based heavy-cargo EVs is a very tall order. Mains-fed electric trainsets would be a far more likely technology, and are extant and commercially proven

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by ianai on Thursday October 01, 2020 @12:32PM (#24652929)
One option is to have multiple vehicles and switch payloads or batteries.

As others noted, we’ve just started taking a serious interest in renovating rechargeable batteries for this use. Lots more can and will be done once the political will is there.

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Thursday October 01, 2020 @06:01PM (#24656602)
Possible, though greatly increasing capital costs, also complexity and coordination dynamics.
Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by aidenn0 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:14PM (#24643273)
I wonder how long haul trucks compare to passenger vehicles for energy efficiency.

Diesel engines tend to be more efficient the larger they are, with marine engines hitting 50% in fixed speed applications.

Re:Rolls-Royce concludes testing of plane technology to brea... by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @06:14PM (#24644634)
You'd want to compare net capacity as ton miles/gallon. Preferably as cargo rather than gross weight, though I'm using the latter for convenience.

Passenger cars net about 90 or so, for a high-efficiency vehicle, gross vehicular weight, at full capacity.

Assuming 140,000 lb GVWR and 7 mpg, I compute 490 ton-mpg. That's roughly equivalent to numbers given for rail ("move one ton of freight one mile on a gallon of fuel), and is likely high, though 100-250 ton-mpg seems likely.

This is not net cargo efficiency, where that rail number may come from. But gives a sense for numbers.