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Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by csunbird on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:29AM (#24628253)
My parents actually taught me an important life lesson, by buying expensive and quality stuff instead of cheap ones to save money.

When I asked them why we were buying only expensive stuff, they said: "We are not rich enough to buy cheap stuff."

Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by bcrosby95 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:40AM (#24628372)
The trick is identifying expensive and quality stuff. Nowadays there's lots of stuff that is expensive and crap.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by vsareto on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:33AM (#24629064)
A big problem of this was positioning of customer reviews over things like Consumer Reports or other publications that have to maintain a long-running reputation (the random reviewer who gives 5 stars doesn't). Reviews became what people trusted, then those were manipulated or paid for, but nothing has filled the trustworthy vacuum because of that just yet.

(Consumer Reports is still there of course, just not as popular of a source as reviews for some reason)

Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by MikeTheGreat on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:48AM (#24629263)
Just as a plug / FYI for Consumer Reports - it's worth checking your local public library to see if they've got a subscription to C.R. that you can use for free.

Nowadays, with everything being online, you might even be able to use the Consumer Reports website for free, through your local public library.

Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by jedmeyers on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:53PM (#24630129)
> Consumer Reports that have to maintain a long-running reputation

Tell me more about the "long-running" reputation of Consumer Reports. I will then tell you why Suzuki Samurai is no longer sold in the US.

Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by vsareto on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:14PM (#24630375)
>Tell me more about the "long-running" reputation of Consumer Reports.

Compared to random people leaving reviews, they do have to be more careful.

Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by csunbird on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:43AM (#24628405)
Exactly. I can say that we were a low-middle class family, so whenever we wanted to buy something, we would just go and buy the best one that will last for a while, even if it meant that it is twice as expensive. Nowadays, it is really getting hard to find something that fits this criteria.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by antisthenes on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:42PM (#24630742)
It's still possible, but it'll take you 6 hours of research, wading through garbage links on Google Search and instead of twice as expensive, it'll be 5x as expensive.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by WrtCdEvrydy on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:41AM (#24628379)
I find the cheapest thing and go up a few percentage points (5-10%) and buy that instead... you have to remember a corner or two were cut on the way to the cheapest thing. Buying the most expensive stuff is often not worth it.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by fuzxi on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:52AM (#24636039)
Pretty similar to my strategy. I buy 4 star items because compared to 5 star items, they're typically 80+% of the quality at 50% of the price.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by restalis on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:32AM (#24629042)
"We are not rich enough to buy cheap stuff." - I'll promote this too, whenever I can, as long as I'll have expensive stuff to sell. As for friends and family, it's just "lean to quality" (not necessarily the expensive type).
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by csunbird on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:48AM (#24629266)
I think that was the point my parents were trying to make, since, usually, cheap means bad quality stuff in my native language :)
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by _Microft on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:13PM (#24629617)
German has the two words "günstig" and "billig". Both can mean inexpensive but "billig" also has the negative connotation of something being of bad quality.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by sosuke on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:35AM (#24628317)
There is a lot to this. I have a unfortunately close relation to someone who would just continually buy new undershirts and other clothes instead of washing what they had already. Closet full of still tagged clothing. An adult, married with children. They made enough money to waste it.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by csunbird on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:01PM (#24629442)
Do they donate the clothes in the end or just throw them into the trash?
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by sosuke on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:22PM (#24629736)
Honestly I have no idea, sorry. I would love to think they were donated but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be. All guessing.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by pnutjam on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:08PM (#24630310)
nobody wants donated clothes anymore.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by csunbird on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:18PM (#24630430)
Can COVID survive a washing machine? It should be fine, as long as you wash them in my opinion.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by Viliam1234 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:21PM (#24633719)
If you wash them and then leave them to dry for a few days, that should be safe. The virus dies when exposed to fresh air; how quickly, that depends on temperature (a few days in winter, a few hours in summer), but err on the side of safety and give it a week. The high temperature of the washing machine, the soap, and drying for a few days, all of them combined should kill the virus almost certainly.

Also, you don't need to literally kill all virus particles. Reducing their number already reduces the probability of getting sick. A certain amount is needed to attack you successfully; a lonely virus particle is mostly harmless. Also, the virus cannot enter your body by being in the clothes your wear, only if you touch the clothes and then your mouth/nose/eyes.

tl;dr - yes, if you wash the clothes and leave them dry for a few days, it is safe

Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by pnutjam on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:09PM (#24640270)
I'm not talking about cleanliness. I'm talking about the fact that most items fall apart and new items are so cheap that used items are getting less and less desirable. There's been articles on here about the way the used clothing industry has imploded over the last decade. There might still be some thrift shop usage, but the longer tail that allowed retailers to offload the majority of donations is disappearing.
Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by 737maxtw on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:28PM (#24629832)
I usually use this logic nowadays whenever someone asks me about buying a 300$ laptop, UNLESS the use case is, in fact, literally email, static html, and word processing (which I've only seen once).

Spending that extra 150-200 can make a huge difference in longevity.

Re:Cities Experiment with Remedy for Poverty: Cash, No Strin... by pnutjam on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:07PM (#24630300)
I always tell people to buy a used business class (latitude, probook, etc). Electronics that last 2 or 3 years and are in a repairable form factor will last way longer then the cheap consumer stuff. You can get parts for them for close to a decade.