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Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by jprupp on Monday September 28, 2020 @07:16PM (#24622293)
What is it like to be the Internet?

That structure resembles our brain: a reactive, resilient, shifting network of connections among billions of individual human brains using smartphones and other technological devices, storing, aggregating and routing information in complex and arbitrary ways. If consciousness is to be found in our technology, I wouldn't look at the individual smartphone, but at the network of all smartphones.

Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by blonde_ocean on Monday September 28, 2020 @08:59PM (#24623091)
100%. I disagree with the article in that there’s nothing inherently mysterious or “hard” (like the “hard” problem of consciousness) in the inner machinations of a smartphone. In the inner machinations of a mind, yes, but not in a smartphone. Everything that goes on within it is designed and controlled and can be explained by a human.

Large networks, e.g. the brain or the Internet, on the other hand, are exponentially more complex and so offer the possibility of being unexplainable when looking at certain behaviors. A recursive problem in a sense.

Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by swilliamsio on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:42AM (#24626074)
> Everything that goes on within it is designed and controlled and can be explained by _a_ human.

Emphasis on _a_ human.

I've heard that there's so many layers of abstraction and obfuscation, that there is no one person who can explain thoroughly every layer of a modern computer, from the volts in the bits, to the web front end, through the cloud.

Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by jibal on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:18AM (#24625903)
The hard problem of consciousness, as philosophers of mind use the term, is not to understand how the mind works or how it produces consciousness, but rather to explain how it could possibly produce consciousness--it's a metaphysical problem.

(Physicalists such as Daniel Dennett [and myself] deny that there is such a problem--that dualists like David Chalmers are operating off of erroneous intuitions, not sound arguments.)

Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by ballark on Monday September 28, 2020 @09:57PM (#24623464)
I largely agree with you, but answer the reducibility problem. At what point does a network become complex enough to form consciousness? I think the writer of this article likely believes that there is no such point, that all information processing is consciously experienced phenomenon on a sliding scale of complexity
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by thecupisblue on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:20AM (#24625541)
When it understands that it is a network and can rework itself and its surroundings, working as a homogenous unit interacting with its environment.
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by ben_w on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:43AM (#24625662)
I often hear AI researchers say that AI behaviours can only be explained in limited cases, not in general.

I’d be surprised if there is anything that it’s like to be a smartphone, or even an AI running in a smartphone, but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility.

Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by tshaddox on Monday September 28, 2020 @10:00PM (#24623484)
The internet isn’t exactly new in this regard. You could just as easily ask things like “what is it like to be European society?”
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by k__ on Monday September 28, 2020 @07:19PM (#24622313)
Could society be a body, the internet its nerves and the economy its blood?
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by jibal on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:21AM (#24625917)
You're asking if a metaphor could be reality. Obviously not ... it's just a metaphor.
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by ineedasername on Monday September 28, 2020 @07:57PM (#24622609)
You've got to put people in there somewhere.
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by taneq on Monday September 28, 2020 @10:06PM (#24623516)
We’re the mitochondria.
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by dylan604 on Monday September 28, 2020 @09:04PM (#24623126)
People are the virus
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by k__ on Monday September 28, 2020 @08:03PM (#24622655)
The brain cells?
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by tomrod on Monday September 28, 2020 @08:38PM (#24622900)
Lymph system.
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by xwdv on Monday September 28, 2020 @10:59PM (#24623785)
The DNA.
Re:What is it like to be a smartphone? by frosted-flakes on Monday September 28, 2020 @09:17PM (#24623220)
Like Jane in the Ender's Game series. Fascinating stuff.