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Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by tyingq on Sunday September 27, 2020 @10:30AM (#24606908)
I assume some of this is related to all of the manufacturing jobs disappearing. I made $15/hour ($31k/year) working in a lightbulb factory in 1985, at the lowest entry level, with nothing but a high school diploma. That would be $75k inflation adjusted to today's dollars.
Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by AlexTWithBeard on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:55AM (#24607573)
We all have to thank China for that. We no longer have entry-level jobs paying $75k. But we have cheap bulbs.

Good deal, heh?

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by jfengel on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:25PM (#24619775)
If it were just the movement of manufacturing, then the entire country would be poorer. TFA is about the fact that the wealthy people have grown much wealthier, and that requires additional explanation.

Overseas manufacturing is part of it, but the US still makes tons of money, often in industries other than manufacturing. Some of them do have entry-level jobs in the $75k range, but rarely with just a high school education.

Programming is one of those fields, and realistically, we ought to figure out how to do more with the self-taught developers, sans a $200,000 degree. That won't solve all of the problem -- far from it -- but it's indicative.

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by chillacy on Sunday September 27, 2020 @12:42PM (#24607944)
If it wasn’t China it would have been Thailand or Brazil. If outsourcing never happened, automation would have brought us here anyways.

The forces that push manufacturing to find ways to lower the cost of production are relentless.

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by AlexTWithBeard on Sunday September 27, 2020 @01:24PM (#24608308)
May be. Or may be not: both Thailand and Brazil have been there for a long time, yet it was China who picked the ball. A coincidence?

Full automation is very far away. But when it happens I'm afraid it will be Chinese workers building factories designed by Chinese engineers from Chinese steel.

This trend must be reverted.

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by giantg2 on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:11AM (#24607198)
I generally agree, but I think we also have to look at total comp. Healthcare costs have risen faster than inflation, eating into take-home pay.
Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by ajmurmann on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:32AM (#24607387)
This is definitely true. There was an econtalk episode with economist Mark Warshawsky. He had looked at Bureau of Labor statistics and identified that most gains in compensation for low income jobs has been absorbed by rising health care costs: http://www.econtalk.org/mark-warshawsky-on-compensation-heal...
Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by onetimemanytime on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:15AM (#24607241)
>>Healthcare costs have risen faster than inflation, eating into take-home pay.

Who's fault it is? The government has the power to change all that. You cannot pay your rent with a copy of your health insurance bill. I wonder if people still pay way more out of pockets expenses for healthcare now, despite having super-expensive insurance.

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by qppo on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:29AM (#24607355)
It wouldn't surprise me if an aging and extremely unhealthy population was a contributing factor. We have a 42% prevalence of obesity among adults (1), median age grew in the new millennium (2).

And ironically, smokers die so fast that they cost less money than non smokers to support in the healthcare system, so the decline in tobacco usage has probably contributed to rising insurance costs.

I guess my point is that there are tangible changes to our society that contribute to skyrocketing healthcare costs.

(1) https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

(2) https://www.statista.com/statistics/241494/median-age-of-the...

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by apta on Sunday September 27, 2020 @10:49PM (#24612483)
Insurance almost surely contributed to increased costs. Hospitals inflate costs because they want to charge more money to the insurance providers, and they get away with it.
Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by giantg2 on Monday September 28, 2020 @06:59AM (#24615306)
That is true.

Part of that is also because they need to cover costs of the people who don't pay and also pay for all the special billing people and lawyers required to deal with insurance and people who don't pay.

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by giantg2 on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:20AM (#24607297)
I'm just saying that total compensation is a better comparison of employee compensation over time.

It would also depend on the tax structure to support healthcare as to whether that helps the total comp.

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by dalbasal on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:39AM (#24607432)
Put another way... Inflation is a different rate for every person.

For a lot of lower-middle class people in cities, inflation has been much higher than the reported rate. Healthcare, tuition, rent...

Re:Typical U.S. full-time salary would be $102k if wages had... by onetimemanytime on Sunday September 27, 2020 @11:13AM (#24607215)
This is, IMO, the real test. Can most people support their family and do the needed a, b and c with a salary?