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Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by seibelj on Sunday September 27, 2020 @12:44AM (#24604277)
I agree - the media constantly posts these “other countries look at USA in bewilderment” articles as if anyone in the US should care what others think. I’m constantly amazed that Europe has insanely high taxes, low growth, and tiny innovation yet no one every speaks of my bewilderment.

Everyone has cool stuff, but there are bad things to say about every country in addition to good things.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by eecc on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:16AM (#24604863)
Well, not everywhere in Europe has insanely high taxes and for a fair comparison I’d add what Americans pay in health insurance anyway.

As for high growth, Europe doesn’t have the space to engage in pump & dump real estate and the same scale of military subsidies that made the fortunes of many US industries.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by ggm on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:08AM (#24604584)
as if anyone in the US should care what others think.

American exceptionalism in one phrase.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by kortilla on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:27AM (#24604640)
Germans don’t care what New Yorkers think about Germany. A news article about Americans taking pity on Germany would never land in Der Spiegel but we don’t call that German exceptionalism.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by bobthepanda on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:21AM (#24604887)
Germans may not care specifically about New Yorkers' every thought about their country but they do compare their results internationally. Here's a Der Spiegel article about how the German PISA results are good but could be better: https://www.spiegel.de/lebenundlernen/schule/pisa-studie-der...
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by AniseAbyss on Sunday September 27, 2020 @01:26PM (#24608332)
If only it went both ways.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by pertymcpert on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:22AM (#24604628)
Maybe try living there? I have in both. Life is definitely better in Western Europe.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by seibelj on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:28AM (#24604906)
Ah yes, the “true happiness is simply moving to another country” argument. The truth is that life is what you make of it - the happiness you seek cannot be provided by any government. Plenty of people are happy and plenty of people are empty, sad, unfulfilled, and depressed in every country on earth.

That said, I will prefer to live in places that give me more choice - more economic choice, more living choices, more everything choices. I am by any global metric a wealthy person and my US tax rate is very low compared to every other western nation except for tax shelter countries. And I prefer to have less government mandating where my wealth is spent and retain more control over my life.

What’s so wonderful is that apparently anyone (just like yourself!) can so easily uproot their entire lives to experiment living in two different countries! Although research tells me that Scandinavian countries, The Netherlands, and France have very difficult requirements for immigration. I need to learn Dutch? Huh? In the USA it’s so much easier!

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by supportlocal4h on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:04PM (#24609274)
I'm a bit unclear about your ending. You want to move to the Netherlands but don't want to learn Dutch?

Are you one of those Californians who are desperate to escape California but then try to change all the rules of your new home to match what you had in California? Just so you know, this is very irritating to your new neighbors.

I live in the USA. I like it here. But you say it is better because it has lower taxes and doesn't make you learn Dutch. Others point out that your taxes + your health insurance premiums + doctor fees are not less than Netherland's taxes that include healthcare.

When I lived outside the USA I made a significant effort to learn the language. I've never understood why one would not.

If these are your main reasons for preferring the USA they seem pretty weak. Your first paragraph is a much stronger position.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by seibelj on Sunday September 27, 2020 @07:00PM (#24610901)
The healthcare situation in the USA is totally bonkers, but in general I prefer to be taxed less and receive fewer services from the government, and then use the saved money to select (or go without) my own service providers.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by pertymcpert on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:15AM (#24624095)
As a result, your less wealthy neighbors are worse off. And you also suffer because of this as well, you just don't realize.

Anyway, it sounds like you deserve all of the problems of the US since you're not actually interested in making anything better. As a result, you'd be a net negative to anywhere you move with that mindset.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by pertymcpert on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:16AM (#24624105)
> Plenty of people are happy and plenty of people are empty, sad, unfulfilled, and depressed in every country on earth.

When you look into the metrics, you'd see what kind of vapid bullshit this is.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by iso947 on Sunday September 27, 2020 @05:08AM (#24605276)
Looking at 90%ile total income tax in UK it’s about the same as 90%ile in a typical US state, but you get comprehensive health care in UK
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by waterheater on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:23PM (#24608908)
If there's any common political rallying point in the USA, it's how expensive healthcare is!

Relief does exist. I know two close people who each had around $70k of medical debt wiped clean by hospitals.

But yes, healthcare costs need to drop. See this graph for a symptom of why healthcare is so expensive: http://www.ibj.com/ext/resources/blog/The-Dose/Physicians-Ad...

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by bumby on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:25PM (#24609437)
What’s interesting is that two sectors that have had costs rising much faster than inflation for decades are healthcare and college in the US. Replace “physicians” with “professors” and you have a visually identical graph for college costs