News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by echelon on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:34PM (#24603280)
Good luck living in the state of Georgia or Texas or North Carolina or Florida without a car. I'd imagine a smaller car would be problematic, too.

Edit: I'm being downvoted, but I live / have lived in these places. What gives? Do you have direct knowledge to the contrary?

The ideals of city living are rather myopic when you consider how large the continental US is and how much sprawl most metros have.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by mrgordon on Saturday September 26, 2020 @10:59PM (#24603872)
I live in Florida without a car. Where there is a will there is a way.

The truth is the lack of proper urban planning due to over reliance on the automobile is why European cities always feel so much nicer than cities in the states you mention.

If we continue to embrace sprawl then we will continue to have long commutes, worse health, and be isolated in our homes without anything to walk to.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by Thlom on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:54AM (#24604768)
Huge parts of Europe are also car dependent and we also have urban sprawl.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by skrebbel on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:26AM (#24604902)
I think when Americans say Europe, they mean "that part of Europe that best fits my argument".

Likely the same vice versa. Both are enormous and diverse places.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by noobermin on Sunday September 27, 2020 @05:44AM (#24605453)
Even the most sprawled places in Europe are better than the US. Even small cities (compared to the US) have more public transit than here.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by Thlom on Sunday September 27, 2020 @08:07AM (#24606018)
Maybe more transit, but it doesn't really help when it's not usable for folks. The biggest difference between US and Europe I've noticed (except that everything is bigger in the US) is the lack of grocery stores in the US. There's huge subdivisions with no grocery stores, so you have to enter the highway to get to a grocery store. Walking is not practically possible. In my small suburb in a small town in a small country in Europe there's two grocery stores within walking distance, four within a short bike ride. Not huge stores like Wallmart or well stocked like, I don't know, Whole Foods, but small grocery stores that sells food and everyday products.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by snow_mac on Monday September 28, 2020 @12:08AM (#24612860)
Why would I want to walk anywhere? I have a 5000 pound car that can take me there faster then I could move my two legs!
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by non-entity on Saturday September 26, 2020 @11:12PM (#24603928)
I do it as well. I've done it in other states down here as well. Like you said its possible, but theres definitely a hit on my QoL.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by kortilla on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:30AM (#24604656)
> is why European cities always feel so much nicer than cities in the states you mention.

Speak for yourself. It’s all about priorities and they only feel nicer if you don’t care about affordable houses with private yards and prioritize walkability.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by TeeMassive on Saturday September 26, 2020 @11:21PM (#24603968)
> Where there is a will there is a way.

I get it that you don't have a family or maybe you just don't have the money.

Here in Canada there was this provincial deputy from a very left leaning and pro public transport party that got elected. You know the first thing she did with her salary? She bought a SUV (https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2018/11/19/la-deputee-catherine-...)

> The truth is the lack of proper urban planning due to over reliance on the automobile is why European cities always feel so much nicer than cities in the states you mention.

And we saw how that was great during the pandemic, and that's not even mentioning other calamities that could happen. And that's not even taking snow into account. Not everyone lives in California.

> If we continue to embrace sprawl then we will continue to have long commutes, worse health, and be isolated in our homes without anything to walk to.

Or organize planning so that everything is more distributed. There are no reasons for mega cities to exist in the Internet Age.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by arcticbull on Sunday September 27, 2020 @01:45AM (#24604486)
> Here in Canada there was this provincial deputy from a very left leaning and pro public transport party that got elected. You know the first thing she did with her salary? She bought a SUV (https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2018/11/19/la-deputee-catherine-...)

That is a nice sound bite and proves nothing. Someone campaigning on a pro public transit agenda may well not believe that transit is yet suitable, and running on that platform is hardly incompatible with car ownership. They are nowhere near mutually exclusive. If you live in Toronto, a train won’t take you to the cottage up in the Kawarthas, nor should it more than likely. Not sure where provincial politicians have their cottages —- the Laurentides?

Cars will have uses even if transit is beefed up, certainly in the winter. Good on the provincial deputy. Or at least, a big shrug.

> And we saw how that was great during the pandemic, and that's not even mentioning other calamities that could happen. And that's not even taking snow into account. Not everyone lives in California.

We did. European cities fared much better than American ones and continue to. That’s got little to do with how the city is laid out and everything to do with how those in it act in the face of shared danger.

> Or organize planning so that everything is more distributed. There are no reasons for mega cities to exist in the Internet Age.

Sure there is. It’s vastly, and I do mean, vastly, more efficient. In terms of water, in terms of energy, in terms of carbon footprint, in terms of space. Vastly. That alone makes not having cities a dealbreaker for some whole countries like Australia where these resources are at a premium.

Cities are efficiencies of scale incarnate.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by Doctor_Fegg on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:44AM (#24604721)
No one with a family has a small car? O...kay.

brb just going to remove the two child seats from the back of our Fiat 500

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by hevelvarik on Sunday September 27, 2020 @06:13AM (#24605564)
When your kids get older or you have another ...
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by mrgordon on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:34AM (#24613289)
The other poster explained well why mega cities in fact make a ton of sense for the health of the planet and the ability to plan public transportation and other services.

Europe has done significantly better with the pandemic so your point doesn’t make sense. The walkability of their towns and cities is a benefit during coronavirus.

I’ll just add that your assumptions are wrong. I can easily afford a car and it’s this sort of car-centric attitude that people without them must be too broke to afford them that is emblematic of why North America has such poor planning.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by zip1234 on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:53PM (#24603356)
Georgia and much of the US has car-requiring zoning laws that should change to allow more intelligent use of land and not necessitate ridiculous commutes.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by publicola1990 on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:43AM (#24604966)
Why is a smaller car a problem, a hatch back with 3 cylinder engine of 1 litre, turing out 60 HP won't be sufficient in Georgia or Florida?
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by kitten_mittens_ on Sunday September 27, 2020 @07:58AM (#24605969)
The common wisdom in a lot of the States is that car size is an arms race. If you drive a little car, you’re in more danger in an accident. 70% of auto sales last year were SUVs and trucks too.

The city I just left, Boise ID, had 80% of people driving to work alone in these suburbitanks.