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Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by asdfasgasdgasdg on Thursday September 24, 2020 @10:57PM (#24586136)
As a present search Googler, it's more of a testament to how easy it is to run a service that doesn't need to accept transactional writes from users, contains little or no private data, and where >1% taint is acceptable.
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by ma2rten on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:44PM (#24586374)
Search ads require transactional writes. But actually, as far as I remember big outages at Google in the past have been things like "someone pushed the wrong router config" and not "our database got overloaded". Maybe search is just more conservative?
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by asdfasgasdgasdg on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:48PM (#24586392)
Search ads is a completely different system than search. They don't share tech stacks or reporting chains.
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by btown on Friday September 25, 2020 @09:45AM (#24589609)
Do ads truly require transactional writes though, rather than eventually consistent log-append writes?
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by pradn on Friday September 25, 2020 @11:02AM (#24590533)
I have the same question. I suppose ads billing might have transactional requirements, but that's separate from search itself.
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by arcticfox on Friday September 25, 2020 @11:46AM (#24591016)
I worked at Bing/Yahoo.

There are two mechanisms helping keep search up when considering ads:

-> Search engine pages can be served w/ no ads, or even no personalization if components are down or lagging

-> Ad logs can be lost if necessary, since we'd under-bill in that case, which would be our own problem. That happened a small handful of times while I was there.

The billing system is indeed transactional, but has less need for 100% up-time and 0 latency in comparison to search. Not nearly as big of a deal if there's an hour delay on billing ads as compared to search being down for an hour.

Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by double-a on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:02PM (#24586156)
Glad to see at least some folks in Search understand this :)
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by technoplato on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:08PM (#24586193)
Sorry, what is taint in this context?
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by make3 on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:19PM (#24586256)
Probably, missed elements
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by asdfasgasdgasdg on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:21PM (#24586266)
Yep, that's it.
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by person_of_color on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:29PM (#24586313)
No private data? Isn’t search personalized?
Re:Google Services Experiencing Disruptions by asdfasgasdgasdg on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:46PM (#24586382)
I can't really comment on that, except to say that the way it works is a much easier problem than how gmail works.