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Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by pstrateman on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:32AM (#24544584)
But why do you trust the VPN provider more than your ISP?
Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by everdrive on Monday September 21, 2020 @12:17PM (#24545152)
Something I seldom see listed here is simply the possibility of splitting the profile:

- My ISP knows all my normal internet traffic, and all the caveats that apply (HTTPS, SNI, IPs, etc)

- My VPN knows a much smaller subset of traffic used for a different purpose. Also, do this in a VM, or on a separate computer, or otherwise somehow containerize your cookies and browser and things. (no, I still don't think people are correlating between profiles using webgl in any large-scale way. If they were, I'd be getting fewer CAPTCHAs.)

Yes, the VPN could presumably violate their privacy statements and sell your information, but that still avoids the primary concern: an ad domain that lives on the two websites you'd like to visit (ie, the normal vs the private site) With a new IP, and a different host (VM, physical computer, etc) there's nothing to correlate. The website in question doesn't know it's you -- only the VPN does. And it doesn't seem likely they're going to sell your information in such a way that the website can figure out which cookie to correlate with which identity.

So, the primary tracking method of the internet should be defeated in this way.

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by falcolas on Monday September 21, 2020 @02:22PM (#24546691)
IP tracking is pretty old-school, and unless you're perfectly scrupulous about your split profiles locally, there's probably a well known bridge between these profiles.

And if IP obfuscation is that important, you'll likely be using TOR, not a VPN (which have proven to be a nearly transparent shield).

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by everdrive on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:41PM (#24584969)
>there's probably a well known bridge between these profiles.

That's my plan -- that there is no bridge between the profiles. I'll admit, the likelihood that I'm doing this perfectly is definitely not 100%. But I'll bet it covers most cases.

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by crtasm on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @06:54PM (#24560957)
Proven how exactly? I was reading this recently: https://torrentfreak.com/ovpn-wins-court-battle-after-pirate...
Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by LGNUITLZCJ on Monday September 21, 2020 @12:15PM (#24545126)
If you know your ISP is bad [0][1] then a VPN which might be bad is better than definitely bad.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/04/04/isps-can...

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by dcolkitt on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:44AM (#24544703)
1) I trust the privacy laws and their level of enforcement in certain foreign jurisdictions more than the US.

2) I trust a company who’s entire value proposition is privacy more than one who’s value proposition is having a monopoly on the local fiber.

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by falcolas on Monday September 21, 2020 @02:19PM (#24546657)
> who’s entire value proposition is privacy

I wouldn't believe any corporation who says this. A profile of a self-identified private person's traffic is likely worth a lot more than what a niche audience will pay for privacy.

VPNs have a history of lying about their business models, about how private their service really is. International contract enforcement won't exactly leave you with a lot of leverage if (pragmatically, when) they lie to you.

And merely being international certainly won't stop a state level actor who is intent on gaining access to your traffic.

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by pstrateman on Monday September 21, 2020 @12:34PM (#24545395)
Have you considered that their primary revenue stream is selling your data and not the fee you pay?

Many of the VPN providers are suspiciously cheap.

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by danShumway on Monday September 21, 2020 @01:37PM (#24546193)
Well, don't buy from a VPN provider that is suspiciously cheap.

If a no-name company starts selling suspiciously cheap smartphones, the odds of those smartphones being backdoored/stolen/broken goes up pretty dramatically. That doesn't mean that every company selling smartphones is equally untrustworthy.

Of course it's a problem how hard it is to tell if a VPN company is trustworthy, but that's a problem that exists for almost every 3rd-party relationship I enter into.

Re:Padlocks, Phishing and Privacy; the Value Proposition of ... by aloisdg on Monday September 21, 2020 @01:34PM (#24546159)
My VPN doesn't answer to my government. It is not how well do you hide, it is from who.