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Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by paxys on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:08PM (#24523194)
McConnell's constituents = half of Kentucky, so ~2 million people. Meanwhile ~40 million Californians have zero say in the process.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by refurb on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:20PM (#24523327)
It’s not like Mitch can singlehandedly control the whole senate.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by awalton on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:37PM (#24523515)
> It’s not like Mitch can singlehandedly control the whole senate.

He's Senate Majority Leader. That's literally exactly what he does.

Besides, he's whipped his party so hard they basically never break rank. Even Mitt "I'm not like the others" Romney votes with him nearly 100% of the time.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by refurb on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:57PM (#24523725)
His power as whip is not absolute. It's not like a parliamentary system where they are actual consequences for not voting the party line.

Take a look at any number of votes in the past year. There are plenty of Republicans who don't vote on party line (Republican and Democratic)

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by stjohnswarts on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:07PM (#24524228)
If you don't vote the party line then you get shown the door during your next election. They turn off the money spigot and nominations stop coming and they help your opponents (same party) get the R nomination. None of the current R senators have the backbone to go against that. Oh they say they will but when the day comes to vote, it's all just hot air.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by couchand on Friday September 18, 2020 @09:41PM (#24524067)
> It's not like [there] are actual consequences for not voting the party line.

There absolutely are, they just happen to be a side-channel in this particular system.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by neverartful on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:01PM (#24524208)
They do have a say. They're free to contact their senators just like citizens from all the other states (on either side of the issue).
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by rhexs on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:20PM (#24523330)
Yes...that’s how the government works. I’d recommend taking a civics course.

We thankfully don’t (yet) live in a country where New York, LA, and Chicago control everything.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by TylerE on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:46PM (#24523609)
Yes, instead we live in a country where a few small rural states wield vastly outsized influence.

So much better!

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jcranmer on Friday September 18, 2020 @09:22PM (#24523924)
Of the ten least-populous states, half are solidly Republican and half are solidly Democratic.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by TylerE on Friday September 18, 2020 @09:44PM (#24524091)
Why should the vote for president of someone in Wyoming be worth 5.5 times as much as a voter in California?
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by juniper_strong on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:32PM (#24524390)
Because that's the only way there would be a federal government in America.

What choice would you have made in 1787?

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by TylerE on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:38PM (#24524419)
We're way beyond 1787.

The Reapportionment Act of 1929 is the cause of the worst distortions.

It fixes the HoR at 435, and is the main cause of the gross imbalance of power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapportionment_Act_of_1929

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jcranmer on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:08PM (#24524608)
Actually, it doesn't.

Wyoming (the least-populous state) has .183% of the US population, so it should have .183% of the US House seats if they were fully proportional. It actually has .230% (1 / 435)--about 1.25× the power it should have. Rhode Island getting two House seats gives it about 1.34× the power it should have. Montana having only one seat leaves it at about 0.673× the power it ought to have.

As quantization errors go, the House's quantization isn't terribly distortive.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by TylerE on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:28PM (#24524728)
Yes but the Electoral College is House+Senante.

So Wyoming gets 4 EC votes.

So... WY gets 4 EC votes with it's 578k population.

My state of NC only gets 15 with it's population of almost 11M.

In what universe is that fair or just?

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by AuryGlenz on Saturday September 19, 2020 @12:36AM (#24525111)
A universe where were the United States of America, not just America.

We were supposed to be a group of states with a fairly limited federal government. I think it’s really unfortunate that’s been largely done away with.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by zaroth on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:56PM (#24524876)
The alternative view is that CA, MA, and NY already get a Democrat candidate 95/270 or 35% of the way to the Presidency with just 20% of the population. Do those states really need a greater impact?
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by TylerE on Saturday September 19, 2020 @12:45AM (#24525160)
That's rather a disingenuous way to twist the numbers.

Those states are 20% of the population and 17% of the EC.

By taking advantage of the tiny states the EC can be won with less than 30% of the vote

https://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-pres...

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by zo1 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @12:28PM (#24528571)
"Fair and just" is out the window as soon as others get to decide how the fruits of 40% of my labor gets spent without my consent. At this point, we might as well just change the rules as we go along because you can't really point to the system we have now and say "it's fair" or "just" in a 100% clearly defined and unambiguous sense that we can all agree on.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by basementcat on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:18PM (#24523300)
That is because the people of the USA don't want the ~40e6 people in California to be able to dictate policy for the ~2 million people in Kentucky. Most Americans are perfectly okay with this because there hasn't been any serious effort at an Amendment to grant each citizen with similar amounts of power in the Senate.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by tomjakubowski on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:27PM (#24523398)
> Most Americans are perfectly okay with this because there hasn't been any serious effort at an Amendment to grant each citizen with similar amounts of power in the Senate.

This doesn't follow. There is no way to amend the Constitution by a national popular vote so the opinion of the majority of Americans is irrelevant to the question of any Amendment's passage.

A more likely reason such an Amendment wouldn't exist is that a majority of states favor the status quo, because most states are small and benefit from their current outsized representation in government.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by basementcat on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:53PM (#24523676)
One of the mechanisms for beginning the amending of the USA constitution is via a 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress. The USA House of Representatives assigns political power approximately proportionally to population and it has never passed any proposed amendment to proportionally elect Senators or delegates of the Electoral College.

Source: Article V

Edit: Corrected 3/4 -> 2/3

Edit2: I stand corrected. The Bayh-Celler proposal was passed by the House and filibustered in the Senate in 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_abolition_am...

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by sokoloff on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:01PM (#24524205)
> One of the mechanisms for amending the USA constitution is via a 3/4 vote of both houses of Congress.

I believe this is factually incorrect. I'll offer Article V of the Constitution as my citation. Do you have a contrary citation to support this claim?

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by sukilot on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:52PM (#24524508)
40e6 people in California aren't a bloc. The blueness/redness of a state is nothing more than the arbitrary balance of urban vs rural population. States are "purple" in actuality.

The major geographic divide in US politics is urban vs rural, not state vs state

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jimktrains2 on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:35PM (#24523487)
His constituency is all of Kentucky. Senators do not split their states, they represent it as a whole.

McConnell rules through the consent of half the senate, not alone.

This is literally the purpose of the senate. We are a union of states, and the senate is where each state is granted equal power. One could argue that states should have been defined differently, but the point was that large states should not have absolute control over small states.

Edit: I'm loving the downvotes without comments. They're clear indication that some people are either not arguing in good faith or that they simply do not understand how and why the us is set up the way it is.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by gran_colombia on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:09PM (#24524612)
The only reason Mitch Connell withheld the nomination was to prevent a vote he would lose. Kentucky's representative prevented a vote where California's representatives would have had a say. Kentucky decided that California did not need to be consulted on this matter. This sort of behavior is hostile to representative government.
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Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by pnw_hazor on Saturday September 19, 2020 @01:33AM (#24525401)
Nonsense. The entire basis of the US government is the dual sovereignty of States and the Federal government.

What slavery? 2020 is bad but it isn't that bad.