This is a popular opinion particularly if all someone pays attention to is Twitter and Reddit but I'd argue it is a wrong opinion.

Angular is alive and well, and being used/adopted every day for projects no one hears about. It isn't the "sexy" choice, but it is the one a lot of companies make.

And if you're gonna point to opinion polls, and all kinds of respect to those who put them out, but they have a hard time capturing Angular usage due to selection bias.

Depends where you live and work I suppose. I used to work in a consultancy firm in Norway that was all in on Angular two-three years ago. Angular has been very popular in enterprise here. But Twitter and Reddit reach enterprise too in the end. The consultancy firm has now switched more or less entirely over to React because Angular is so out of vogue.

US consultant here with a similar story. A lot of what we're doing now seems to be moving toward headless CMS and headless ecommerce with NextJS/Gatsby for the integration point. I'm still a big fan of Angular, but the amount of work we're getting asking for Angular has dropped off a cliff.

I used to work for a big financial analytics company that used Angular 1.5 for everything. Around the time I left, they started migrating to VueJS instead. Obviously this is all anecdotal, and I have no doubt AngularJS is still being used in a lot of places, but I think there's reason to believe its share might be shrinking.

AngularJS is obviously shrinking. It's the 1.x version, and no one should be starting new projects with it. I don't think anyone is referring to AngularJS. When people say Angular, they'd be referring to v2.0+.

I was referring to all versions of the library. If companies are switching away from Angular, Angular's share will be shrinking.

Similar story in the old company I worked for. Though I have experienced that there are a few companies that are happy with Angular and see no reason to switch.

Angular is massive - MASSIVE - within large orgs you will have heard of but which I cannot name for obvious reasons.

The twitterati and hobbyist crowd seem to love react, but anecdotally I've yet to see it used seriously at a BigCo, but Ng+TS is everywhere.

Your comment seems to present anecdotal evidence as facts about $framework's popularity. I think that's misleading.

I'm wondering if there's a scraper out there crawling Alexa TOP 1xxx pages for use of specific libraries, frameworks? Maybe that would present a more accurate picture about this.

Also it's often misleading since in any company with more than a few employees there seems to be more than one team of developers which often leads to different frameworks being used in different parts of the company. In $dayJob we use Angular in some legacy internal stuff, React in a rewritten consumer-facing project and preact or jQuery in a different consumer-facing project.

It's not that simple to determine marketshare of frameworks I think. We can just present different numbers and draw different conclusions from it, e.g. number of job postings mentioning specific frameworks, number of downloads in a registry, number of domains using it (assuming one app per domain), number of stars on github or number of people claiming to use it in the stackoverflow survey.

A lot of the web isn't publicly accessible. And most .com marketing sites are built on a much different tech stack than the actual product. Example: landing page is Wordpress, actual site is a SPA (be it React/Angular/Vue etc).

Builtwith.com does what you describe although not sure if it can detect react/angular/etc.

Not everything is public facing though, particularly in enterprise

"I've yet to see [React] used seriously at a BigCo" you realize Facebook a) sponsors its development and b) just rewrote their core product in it?

Might be anecdotal, but the new site is pretty rough.

c) I've never worked at Facebook so I've not seen their work and obviously I don't use Facebook.

I can name Google.

Angular is huge inside big enterprises. Much more popular than React.

Svelte is very cool though.

>Angular seems to be dying

lol. In the US open jobs for Angular and React are about 50/50. (Indeed/SimplyHired), in much of the EU Angular is way more popular than React still.

Is Angular the new Rails in this regard? It's not going anywhere, massive businesses use it at a huge scale and it works.