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Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by Cro_on on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:01PM (#24518443)
unfortunately and to shatter your dreams, as mine were, it is and has always been:

octopuses*

tis mixage of greik and latin eytymologies and wyll not bey allowed

by the way is your dad thomas pynchon?

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by bgun on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:06PM (#24518512)
Languages, especially English, are democracies - if enough people say octopi, it eventually will be (and may already be) octopi.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by LolWolf on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:15PM (#24518633)
> Languages [...] are democracies

I think the French would like to have a word!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Académie_Française

(On the other hand, rules aren't binding, so it's more like a "will of the people (if the people's will is large enough)"?)

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by qchris on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:44PM (#24518974)
According to my one semester intro course, this is referred to in linguistics as either a "prescriptive" or "descriptive" approach to language. As I think you alluded to, while the prescriptive approach defines people's attitudes regarding how certain approaches to the language are viewed ("this is right/wrong"), it rarely ends up actually changing how the language(s) themselves get used and develop.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by jakevoytko on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:34PM (#24518857)
I took a French class last year, and the teacher spent a lot of time identifying differences between academy French and how people actually talk. Things like "Je ne sais pas" => "Chais pas," which sounded like "shay pa." It seemed like the people still had a lot to say about how French should unofficially be written and spoken, even if it couldn't be used in formal settings.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by MayeulC on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:45PM (#24518990)
Well, thus is, strictly speaking, the difference between "I don't know' and "I dunno". Speakers know this is a colloquial saying.

There might be a few areas where official bodies are lagging behind usage ("postuler à" being one I have in mind), but I'd say that grammar nazis and teachers alike are actually somewhat effective IMO.

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by jacobr1 on Friday September 18, 2020 @09:25PM (#24523942)
> but I'd say that grammar nazis and teachers alike are actually somewhat effective IMO.

We have no evidence this is true. Certainly historically we know it isn't the case, there very strong evidence surrounding how languages drift over time that exist alongside contemporary pendants later proving to have not made a difference. But we also haven't really had a society with near universal literacy before so maybe that changes the dynamic.

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by simlevesque on Friday September 18, 2020 @02:40PM (#24520401)
> "postuler à"

Today I learned that I used it "wrong" all my life.

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by MayeulC on Saturday September 19, 2020 @06:56AM (#24526559)
I know, right? Languagetool brought it to my attention the other day. "postuler" == "to candidate" seems absent from the dictionary, though it's in common use.

http://www.academie-francaise.fr/postuler-postuler-pour

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by samradelie on Friday September 18, 2020 @03:34PM (#24521005)
That's neat the teacher brought up the 'tiers' of formality. As an american kid in France growing up, the 'vous-voyez' was instilled early on along with evaluations over the years in written and oral style. You probably remember 'liaisons'? It's as though in the same way a vowel at the beginning of a word causes the last consonant of the previous word to be pronounced, as familiarity increases and formality decreases, the words themselves begin to blend. Somewhere between your examples there'd be "j'ne sais pas" and then if your a high school kid in 2005, "Saich aps"
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by samatman on Friday September 18, 2020 @05:03PM (#24521869)
The French verlan is a prime demonstration that, in point of fact, King Canute cannot stop the tide from turning.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by picodguyo on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:24PM (#24518737)
"The Oxford English Dictionary lists octopi, octopuses and octopodes (in that order)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_form_of_words_ending_in...

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by DanBC on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:51PM (#24519069)
Does it?

octopus

(ˈɒktəpəs, ɒkˈtəʊpəs)Pl. octopodes (ɒkˈtəʊpədiːz), anglicized octopuses.[mod.L. octōpus, a. Gr. ὀκτώπους, acc. ὀκτώποδ-α eight-footed, f. ὀκτώ eight + πούς, πόδ- foot.]

octopus

A genus of cephalopod molluscs, characterized by eight `arms' surrounding the mouth and provided with suckers; an individual of this genus (esp. one of the larger and more formidable species).

1758: Baker in Phil. Trans. L. 778 “The Polypus, particularly so called, the Octopus, Preke, or Pour-contrel.”

1835: Kirby Hab. & Inst. Anim. I. x. 308 “The body of the octopus is small, it has legs sometimes a foot and a half in length, with about two hundred and forty suckers on each leg.”

1880: Browning Pietro of Abano 401 “Help! The old magician clings like an octopus!”

1884: H. M. Leathes Rough Notes Nat. Hist. 46 “Saying that enormous octopuses existed on the western side of Panama, in the Pacific Ocean.”

octopus

b. fig.; usually applied to an organized power having extended ramifications and far-reaching influence, esp. harmful or destructive.

1882: Greg Misc. Ess. ii. 37 “We are the very octopus of nations.”

1893: Boston (Mass.) Jrnl. 25 Mar. 2/1 “The electric octopus. Formal organization of the New England Street Railway Company.”

1894: Westm. Gaz. 12 Mar. 2/1 “He was an administrative octopus, a cormorant of toil.”

octopus

c. attrib. and Comb.

1880: G. Meredith Tragic Com. (1881) 206 “Then they laid octopus-limbs on her.”

1894: Outing (U.S.) XXIV. 460/1 “An octopus power sought to tear the human limpet from its clinging place.”

1898: P. Manson Trop. Diseases i. 9 “A strange-looking octopus-like creature.”

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by Cro_on on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:22PM (#24519449)
Person with Volume X (Moul-Ovum) of the second edition OED in front of them here..

a simple reply to this would be that in no dictionary 'pu' comes before 'po' :)

granted, octopodes comes under the heading of octopus, as it's plural, so it is technically after.

but following the loose nature of the quote in hand, it is also in fact true that octopi comes before octopuses, it just so happens to be attached to the full word 'octopian' - suggestive of an octopus

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by aqme28 on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:19PM (#24518690)
By that logic shouldn't it be octopodes? That way we're consistently greek.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by alteria on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:07PM (#24519250)
Yes. I volunteered at an aquarium for several years, and we spent a surprising amount of time learning octopus etymology. It was a top 10 question for adults to ask.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by jfk13 on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:49PM (#24519757)
Octopus entomology? I think you meant etymology.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by Falling3 on Friday September 18, 2020 @02:08PM (#24519988)
Octopus entomology sounds a lot more interesting
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by jtolmar on Friday September 18, 2020 @07:16PM (#24522793)
You have to admit though, octopus entomology /would/ be surprising.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by alteria on Friday September 18, 2020 @03:02PM (#24520669)
Yes, whoops!
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by Cro_on on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:06PM (#24519244)
yes, they are almost the same

the greek d was actually a hard th sound iirc, Δελτα being pronounced 'thelta' as opposed to 'delta'.

hopefully that clarifies (and is actually accurate) how octopuses and octopodes are connected

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by Anon4Now on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:51PM (#24519070)
I don't know, but I kind of like "i" being the plural of "us". It makes all my decisions seem unanimous.
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by thunderbong on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:24PM (#24519466)
Shouldn't that be unanimi?
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by chrisweekly on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:32PM (#24519559)
unanimoi?

(pronounced "yew-nan-i-mwa" as in French "me")

;)

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by blnqr on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:51PM (#24519788)
unanimata
Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by toolslive on Saturday September 19, 2020 @07:35AM (#24526721)
sometimes the plural of a word ending on 'us' ends on 'i'. Sometimes it does not. Even if the origin is Latin, it varies (lupus vs fructus). However when borrowing words from another language, things become interesting and subject to ignorance and fashion (not necessarily in that order).

Pro tip: Pizza Pepperoni (Italy vs US)

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by reaperducer on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:22PM (#24518723)
octopuses

Like "Vaxen?"

Re:Giant Pacific Octopus by userbinator on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:06PM (#24524222)
Octopaxen.