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Re:Uber backup driver indicted in 2018 self-driving crash th... by akira2501 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:02AM (#24489686)
The vehicle was travelling the posted speed limit at night, as designed. The NHTSA pointed this out that the law may require you to travel at a "safe" speed, and simply choosing to always move at the posted limit is potentially a moving violation and a design flaw.

The vehicle was travelling 20mph faster than it's own "safe clear ahead" zone allowed for. Simply ignoring it's own safety limits and travelling at a higher rate of speed is a design flaw.

Designing a large public road autonomous vehicle test and not taking into account an easily predicted human vulnerability that's been known in other automation experiments for decades is a project design flaw.

Whether or not the driver is at some fault, I think the court will be capable of determining that. Arizona's willingness to completely disregard the mountains of negligence on part of a giant corporation is disturbing.

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Re:Uber backup driver indicted in 2018 self-driving crash th... by JanSt on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:15AM (#24489757)
Isn't it the drivers job to take control whenever there is a design flaw? I thought that was the exact job description.

If the car is going over it's speed limit, the driver should react.

I see that some people think Uber should have added systems to control the safety driver. I think that's a fair point, but it doesn't take away the drivers responsibility. They knew the car isn't perfect. It's their job to take over control whenever that happens.

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Re:Uber backup driver indicted in 2018 self-driving crash th... by freeone3000 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @04:28AM (#24490678)
Their job, as designed, is impossible. Automation complacency is well-known and well-studied -- any system which requires no input for an hour and then requires you to act randomly within seconds is an impossible task for humans. Volvo's self-driving (hands-on-wheel required) accounts for that. Uber's did not.
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Re:Uber backup driver indicted in 2018 self-driving crash th... by clusterfish on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:18AM (#24489777)
Uber posted a safety driver specifically to make the car safe at regular speeds despite the limitations of the autonomous system. That driver just wasn't doing their job.
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