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Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by rossdavidh on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:19PM (#24476961)
First off, let me say that I have happily WFH for a few years now. I'm not opposed to it. It works for some people.

However, this is likely a problem that will get worse, not better, over time. The early WFH experience was able to cruise on the office connections, cross-training, personal knowledge, team-building, etc. that had happened previously. The longer people are away from the office, the more that hard-to-quantify stuff will decay. Plus, onboarding a new college grad has got to be challenging when there's not a group of experienced team members around them to be able to see when they're struggling or headed off the wrong path without realizing it.

All of these problems can be mitigated, but they won't be eliminated. There will always be some positions and employees where WFH makes sense; as I said, it has often worked for me. But the idea that half or even a quarter of employees would become permanently WFH, is fantasy. It's kind of like having a long-distance relationship. You can do it for a while, but the penalty mounts over time in ways that are hard to quantify, but real nonetheless.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by kochikame on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:22PM (#24476976)
This is a great comment

I think it's increasingly clear that blanket policies and one-size-fits-all WFH plans are just not going to work. People may gripe, but it seems like WFH is not going to be for everybody, in every position, at every stage in their careers. Hell, it might not even be feasible depending on the project you're working on this year.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by selfinvariant on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:49PM (#24477705)
I really like your comment.

In my experience - heavily relying on relationships built before is how a lot of things are actually get done. While my company closed its offices in March - I see people getting `socially distanced` coffee with their co-workers more and more.

I think there are tasks / kind of work, that requires minimal communication or relationship building, and it's possible to optimize WFH setup to be very productive at it (way more productive than in the office). A lot of comments on HN are alluding to that some people figured that out and are good at it.

There are also tasks that are hard or borderline impossible to do remote. Relationships are harder. Negotiations are harder. Random lunch conversations don't happen anymore, the serendipity of new learnings is lost.

And yes, I can't wait to go back to the office.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:22PM (#24476980)
> onboarding a new college grad has got to be challenging when there's not a group of experienced team members around them to be able to see when they're struggling or headed off the wrong path without realizing it

Has anyone figured this one out? It’s inhibiting hiring quite significantly at our firm. I can’t imagine we’re the only ones.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by gibs0ns on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:05PM (#24477212)
We elect a senior/experienced team member to provide most on-boarding, and continued assistance/training/mentorship during the new hire's probation period (usually 3 months). We then interview the new hire at the end of their probation period to get feedback on the training they received from the senior member they were paired with, and the on-boarding process in general.

We rotate between the senior members for each new hire, where it makes sense. The senior member in return receives a $ bonus during this time, and their effort also contributes towards their performance review. I've also noticed it helps the new hire integrate with our culture.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by rubidium on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:54PM (#24477148)
For fresh grads: x2 Manager checkins daily for first 2 months

For the 2-5 yr expirence: x1 checkin daily for the first month

For the 5+ yr experience engineer: x1 checkin daily first week.

For all: reduce checkins as appropriate for each, case-by-case.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by andreilys on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:12AM (#24477809)
2x Daily Checkin’s for 2 months.... sounds like a recipe for micro management.

Also given most managers schedules are packed, I’m not sure how feasible this advice is. Especially if they onboard 2 or 3 new hires.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by rubidium on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @07:03AM (#24479847)
This is fresh college grads, and it’s literally a “you have things to do? Are you stuck at all?” The checkins reduce in proportion to the positive check on things.

People don’t understand the massive amount of time new hires can spend stuck (be it HR, software license issues, unfamiliarity with the process, etc).

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by t-writescode on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:11PM (#24477235)
I would say there still needs to be more regular checkins, even for experienced engineers. The onboarding stage is almost always way longer than anyone wants to be stuck onboarding, and direction is very important, especially on teams that own way too many features.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by Retric on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:52PM (#24477138)
Interesting, I find on boarding easier with WFH teams because so much of that informal stuff gets documented. Transcripts of troubleshooting text only (slack/IM/etc) meetings for example are a gold mine. It’s really the mix of WFH in mostly face to face offices that’s difficult.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by thirtyseven on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:15PM (#24477257)
It's great if that stuff gets documented, but if your team didn't already have a culture of writing good docs, what makes you think they magically will develop one now?
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by Retric on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:21PM (#24477592)
It’s not that you end up with good documents, it’s that similar effort results in more useful documents. Pasting a long conversation into a document kind of a pain to work from, but it’s fast and a much better starting point than a vague description without any real context. The next person reading the document might be motivated to clear up any misconception they had, where starting from scratch seems like a huge effort.

PS: The second bit is surprisingly effective. I have created a few bare bones documents that ended up becoming very fleshed out in a year+ when some sends it back to me.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by tilolebo on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @06:45AM (#24479742)
> what makes you think they magically will develop one now?

Nothing magical here, the culture shift will/should happen exactly because remote work is now the default.

The same way companies adopted Internet and digitized their workflows.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by coredog64 on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:38PM (#24477663)
We have Slack and Zoom both, but once we start to involve a bunch of people, we wind up moving to voice and video. Sure, we captured all 6 hours of the call —- Who is up for finding a random 15 second snippet of conversation?
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by Retric on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @06:43AM (#24479730)
Automatic transcripts are surprisingly useful for this as you can simply search for key words. Their far from perfect especially when multiple people are talking, but all you really need is a time stamp.