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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by sschueller on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:18PM (#24473989)
Like Tesla's full self driving. It doesn't exist and will not exist for a long time.
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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by bryanlarsen on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:39PM (#24474219)
One's a bad prediction, the other's a lie. There is a difference.
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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by smt88 on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:50PM (#24474318)
Tesla's software is currently called "Full Self-Driving Capability", which is both a bad prediction and a lie.
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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by jryle70 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:04PM (#24477204)
Artificial Intelligence is the single most overused buzzword at the moment. Just an example among many:

"We’re building an AI-powered writing assistant that helps people communicate and connect"

https://www.grammarly.com/jobs

Compared to AI "Full Self-Driving Capability" isn't any more implausible. Yet we don't call those AI companies fraud.

This is how Tesla marketing Model 3's Autopilot. Marketing speak for sure, but lie?

"Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. Full Self-Driving Capability introduces additional features and improves existing functionality to make your car more capable over time"

https://www.tesla.com/model3

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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by nordsieck on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:20PM (#24474659)
> Tesla's software is currently called "Full Self-Driving Capability", which is both a bad prediction and a lie.

Nowhere does Tesla claim that their cars currently have the ability to do "Full Self-Driving".

They sell a package which promises, in the future, to enable "Full Self-Driving" on the associated car.

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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by sschueller on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:27PM (#24474743)
The average life of a car is 8 years or 150,000 miles. I doubt FSD will be available within 10 years.
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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by nordsieck on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:30PM (#24474782)
> The average life of a car is 8 years or 150,000 miles. I doubt FSD will be available by then.

1. I don't know. I guess that's the risk people take when they buy the FSD package without a guaranteed date.

2. It's not clear to me that your average life numbers apply to Teslas.

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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by the-dude on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:16PM (#24474613)
It has the capability, it just does not exercise it.
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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by colejohnson66 on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:46PM (#24474939)
I think this is the rub. It depends on your definition of “capable.” While technically, it’s “capable” in the sense all Teslas have sensors they claim are enough, it’s not “capable” of using those sensors for self driving if there’s no code for it.
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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by sschueller on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:48PM (#24474302)
It's a lie just as Theranos was. It might be possible one day, it isn't in the near future.
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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by ric2b on Saturday September 19, 2020 @09:43AM (#24527367)
No, Theranos didn't just make promises, they said "we're doing this right now in our labs and with our partner, Walgreen".
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