Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by bzb5 on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:20AM
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How certain is that, given that according to previous predictions the Earth should currently be uninhabitable?
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Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by bakedbeanz on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:14AM
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By all means, provide us with reputable sources that claim "the Earth should currently be uninhabitable". We'll wait.
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by xenspidey on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:34AM
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Not OP but a quick google search. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-predic...
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by Brakenshire on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:42AM
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So of the 18 predictions none are from climatologists, none are in published research but rather in comments to magazines and speeches, and half are from 2 people, Paul Erlich (a biologist) and Kenneth Watt (an ecologist). And some of them are not even wrong, for instance concerns about population growth or rainforest loss at the rate it was occurring at the time. The headline here is “some random scientists were wrong about something 50 years ago”. The fact the comparison is even made between these comments and the published evidence base for climate change, indicates more about the person making the criticism than the target of the criticism. These are the same kind of people who think that political commentators on rolling news are making a meaningful contribution to scientific debate.
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by mbostleman on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:37AM
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I'm not sure this is a particularly constructive line of debate, but predictions in the 1970s from [sources well known and accepted by mainstream press, if not reputable in hindsight or by other definitions] are pretty numerous. Here is one from Paul Ehrlich in April 1970:
"Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make...The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years."
There are many more. I think this type of stuff was that decade's click bait.
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by dylan604 on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:20AM
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In the 1970s, people were dealing with things like Acid Rain and large hole in the ozone layer. Things probably were much more dire looking at that point.
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by klyrs on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:21PM
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More to the point, we acted decisively as a society to remediate these conditions and those efforts succeeded. To look back now and ridicule those predictions without considering the actions taken to prevent them is folly.
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by kyleee on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:32AM
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And people were worried about catastrophic global cooling
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by klyrs on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:25PM
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Some were, yes, but they were in the minority. Curiously, folks are still predicting global cooling, but the proportion of such papers continues to dwindle.
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-in...
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by bzb5 on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:41AM
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Just like now we are worried about catastrophic global warming. Only that, of course, now we are right. ;-)
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise...
by perl4ever on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:04PM
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If you look at a temperature graph all would become clear. It's not like the data they had was fake or misrepresented, it's just that the trend is noisy and became clearer later. Now that it is clear, it makes no sense to say "we could still be wrong". It's like a stock market graph; you don't know if a few days ago was the peak, but in a year you do. Or in case of climate, 30-40 years.