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Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by StavrosK on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:49AM (#24469460)
I saw a video by Louis Rossman the other day that's relevant to this. He owns an independent repair shop that repairs Apple products, and he said that Apple has basically won the fight by locking down their supply chain.

Independent repair stores now cannot get Apple parts anywhere, so your only repair option in many cases is to take the thing to Apple and pay the predictably just-below-used price to get it repaired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA3szW9nWk

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by Just1689 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:09AM (#24470329)
Yeah I believe the strategy is to make consumers think they should "just buy a new one".

Apple is also putting up a very poor "training" program (Independent Repair Program) so that it looks like they're entertaining "right to repair" while they ensure the program is not adequate enough for people taking the course to handle even the most basic repairs.

Apple also locks it all up in tight NDAs so that they can't discuss this publicly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFuNIZuxq4

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by ntsplnkv2 on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:39PM (#24472176)
I don't think it's so much "buy a new one" as it is "buy apple care."
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by ChuckNorris89 on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:40PM (#24473540)
Apple care doesn't last too long. More like buy apple care and when that runs out, buy a new one.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by ntsplnkv2 on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:39PM (#24474218)
Point well taken, but that doesn't seem to be Apple's MO.

Most of my apple devices have lived far past their life. Now maybe in 10 years I look back to this time and say that is no longer true, but I have multiple 10 year + old pieces of apple hardware that still function remarkably well.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by imglorp on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:54AM (#24469505)
You can mail a mac to Rossman's company and they'll work for P+L without the Apple upsell woo. Contact is on the about link above.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by spuz on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:31AM (#24469886)
What does "work for P+L" mean?
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by nAwYz on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:35AM (#24469925)
Parts and labour cost
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by kellenmurphy on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:39AM (#24469973)
Parts and Labor
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by chadash on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:38AM (#24469950)
parts + labor
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by zo1 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:06AM (#24470291)
Parts and Labour?
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by ThePowerOfFuet on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:36AM (#24469926)
the cost of parts and labour.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by fareesh on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:48AM (#24470076)
Wouldn't you also in theory be able to get a donor part from someone's laptop which is otherwise busted?
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by StavrosK on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:53AM (#24470141)
He addresses that in the video as well (I think he said it wasn't economical).
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by canofbars on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @07:51AM (#24480155)
Apple started to crack down on this by burning an ID in each part with a security chip that will brick the laptop if it detects a part changed and only apple can reset it so it works again.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by unglaublich on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:54AM (#24469508)
And customers are fine with it.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by SebastianKra on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:08PM (#24471802)
No, they are generally not. It's just that there's so much unethical _shit_ to keep track of, that you have no chance to even know half of it.

And even if you do, what can you do about it? Switch to another company? [1]

The amount of effort that I need spend just to fight only _some_ of the unethical behavior in my area of expertise is already high. Just imagine the issues in other fields which I don't know about.

[1]: https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/618/221/47...

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by ntsplnkv2 on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:41PM (#24472189)
Seems to be this massive untapped market of people who are upset with their options.

Or the reality is most people don't care as long as they can check instagram and open tiktok.

What is more likely?

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by jdashg on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:14PM (#24473266)
It's both: People are upset but they lack agency, so they deal.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by ntsplnkv2 on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:38PM (#24474206)
I just don't think people are that upset about this. I think there are other things that they are more upset about that happen far more often.

We constantly get anecdotes on here like this post, Yet everyone I know who has a mac never has any of these troubles, or if they do apple takes relative care of them. My mom's macbook still kicks after 10 years. The only issue which I saw a friend have was the keyboard debacle. Other than that, I never hear of these situations.

What are the actual numbers?

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by StavrosK on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:55AM (#24470154)
He addresses that in the video, customers are fine because Apple sabotages repair shops and then blames them for the failures.