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Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by mrtksn on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:02AM (#24468779)
>Also it's not as if most other countries have domestic alternatives that can easily take the place of the major US corps.

It doesn't take huge technical skills that exist only in SV to build alternatives to US internet companies. The reason why China and Russia have their own alternatives but the EU and UK don't is because they let US steamroll into their markets. FB and other US companies were early or had better funding and got the lead, network effect kicked in and they dominated. When a country blocks you off, your funding and network effect is no more.

In other words, the moat of the US internet companies is not their tech but their network and that network can be made anaemic by countries who want to have their local alternatives, as seen with Russia and China.

Even in places where that tech expertise doesn't exists someone will build white label solutions and sell them.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by manigandham on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:08AM (#24468814)
> "The reason why China and Russia have their own alternatives but the EU and UK don't is because they let US steamroll into their markets."

Why do you say "steamroll"? They came in because they were allowed in. Are you now making the case that protectionism is good and EU/UK should prefer their own while blocking foreign companies? If it was that easy then why wouldn't they just do it to encourage domestic activity?

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by mrtksn on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:16AM (#24468866)
It's a description of what happened. If you are curious about my opinion, I would prefer having a global market with safeguards like the GDPR in place. I am not a fan of the direction where the would is headed and I am not looking forward for the partitioned internet in an isolationist world. It's also disheartening losing the USA as a force of ideals for social and economic freedoms, despite its faults it was a huge enabler for people with ambitions in less free countries.
Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by manigandham on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:45PM (#24476763)
Why would the entire world be affected? It's the US applying specific protections against China, which has already isolated itself. Nothing changes for the rest of the world.
Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by mrtksn on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:13PM (#24476924)
The world has the exactly the same concerns towards the USA based companies. What changes is that from now on it is acceptable to block apps and websites but blocking them was considered a free speech issue and Up until now blocking apps and websites was something that that only dictators would do, not anymore.
Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by manigandham on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:34AM (#24477908)
Blocking foreign companies is not a free speech issue. Also free speech isn't a law, and the 1st Amendment has nothing to do with some social network provided by a private foreign corporation that must still follow US regulations to operate here.

The rest of the world is not going to change just because we start to treat China the same way they treat everyone else. Perhaps you should read up on how India and other countries are also defending against China.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by mrtksn on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:26AM (#24478715)
You understand that not everyone is US citizen, right? In fact, only about %5 of the world is, therefore %95 of the world is not bound by amendments in the US constitution and by foreign corporation they mean US corporations.

How do you think US corporations were able to grow to global scale without registering legal entities in the %95 of the world? Because due to the US pressure and advocacy for free speech not letting Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and others to operate was considered a matter of free speech in the pro western world. Russia and China did not played that game and had homegrown versions.

US is not going to win China and is about to lose the non-US wester countrieds by blocking TikTok. After the TikTok case no political activist will have credibility when the next dictator or would be dictator blocks Twitter. In places like UK/EU where local companies aspire to compete with the US ones you can expect much more hostile environment for the next US startup because no longer the issue would be a matter of freedom but national security.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by manigandham on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:56PM (#24483508)
You understand that not every company is a social network, right? There are thousands of multinational corporations that operate in several countries, and every country enforces various regulations against these foreign (as in the opposite of domestic) companies.

US companies are welcomed because they provide investment, jobs, resources and opportunities that weren't otherwise available or developed domestically. This has absolutely nothing to do with free speech (which again isn't a law and isn't even the same in other countries).

China specifically acts against free trade and is now being treated the same way (after decades of being unfairly tolerant to them). This is no different than tariffs and sanctions against other troublesome nations. Nobody is going to start blocking US companies because of this.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by mrtksn on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:57AM (#24489953)
obviously we are talking about companies that do their business over the internet(not only social networks, pretty much anything that can scale fast). There’s nothing new for those who need physical local presence or sell goods that go through regular customs. If US App&website banning becomes a thing you can expect to be able to continue selling wine to France as before but loose access to the French Ad market without properly incorporating In France(making it illegal to Buy ads or run ads from companies that don’t meet a set of regulations that only a local company can meet ).
Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by jariel on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:45AM (#24469023)
That's true for FB but not so much for Amazon, MS, Google etc..