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Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by grawprog on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:40PM (#24466220)
>If we're not leasing a phone

But that, unfortunately seems to be the thinking behind most companies these days...that consumers don't own their phones, among other things, in fact most manufacturers seem to want to get onto thr bandwagon, they lease right to use them.

I'm fully in agreement with you though. Phones and most end consumer devices should not be treated as leased devices.

I may need to pay for a service to fully use said device, mobile data, wifi, etc. But those services should not be locked into one provider and should be seperate from the manufacturers.

Limits on repairs and modification should be few and a void warranty should be the steepest penalty. Modifying or repairing a device should not be grounds to have that device bricked at the whims of a manufacturer.

Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by quicklime on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:52PM (#24466592)
> Phones and most end consumer devices should not be treated as leased devices.

I lease my home. Even though I don’t own it, I still have an expectation of privacy! The law protects me from having my landlord just decide to walk in whenever they want, for example.

Privacy is something everyone should have, even on leased devices. People have things like private conversations and banking credentials on their phones.

Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by aksjfnkajsnd on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:03AM (#24466640)
> The law protects me from having my landlord just decide to walk in whenever they want, for example.

Depends on the state

Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by bigtechdataeng on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:27AM (#24467067)
Does it? I thought it was pretty much a given that landlords had to provide 24 hours written notice, excepting emergency.
Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by dkdk8283 on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:13AM (#24467314)
How do you define what constitutes an emergency?
Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by mushbino on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:34AM (#24467422)
What you can prove or disprove in court.
Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by aksjfnkajsnd on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:32PM (#24499813)
Yes, it does. Look it up.
Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by varispeed on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:06AM (#24468803)
Some companies (like Apple) make it impossible to repair your own device even if you have tools and skills because they ask vendors to not sell spare parts to third parties. For example if a charging IC dies you have an option to either send it to Apple and pay significant mark up for the 10 minute repair or throw away the device. You should be able to buy such chip and replace it without company involvement. I hope that this practice will be illegal in the future.
Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by dwighttk on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:28PM (#24466473)
What manufacturer leases a phone to an individual? I know some carriers do this.
Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by NotSammyHagar on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:35AM (#24467760)
I think part of the idea of "not owning your device" is that apple and Google have controlled gardens, apple way more than android, but still. They control the system software.
Re:Your Phone Is Your Castle by varispeed on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:39AM (#24468993)
Apple also controls the hardware - for example they prevent vendors from selling some spare parts to 3rd parties. For example if a USB charging chip dies, you cannot replace it yourself, because you can't buy the part.