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Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by scarface74 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:18PM (#24466098)
I doubt Apple is dumb enough not to have basically a perpetual license for ARM.
Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by soapdog on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:03AM (#24467878)
ARM was launched as a joint venture between Acorn, Apple, and VLSI. I believe that since day 0 Apple had perpetual access to the IP.
Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by ksec on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:48AM (#24469451)
They sold all of the ARM shares in mid 90s to prevent themselves from going bankruptcy.

Not to mention starting a JV has nothing to do with perpetual IP access. You will still have to pay for it.

Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by selectodude on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:12AM (#24469704)
They can certainly have a contract with Arm that allows them to renew their arch license in perpetuity that nvidia won't be able to void.

I obviously don't know that for sure but the idea that Apple would stake their future on something they don't have a legal ironclad position seems unlikely.

Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by systemvoltage on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:30PM (#24466173)
I would also agree, the thing is - businesses breakup and come together all the time. If it makes sense and both parties can agree despite of past disagrements and lawsuits, they will partner.

Just because Apple and nVidia has bad relationship at the moment regarding their GPUs is probably orthogonal to what they'll do with this new branch of nVidia, that is ARM.

Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by scarface74 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:47PM (#24466259)
What need does Apple have with ARMs R&D going forward? They have their own chip designers, build tools, etc.?

True about frenemies the entire time that Apple was suing Samsung, it was using Samsung to manufacture many of its components.

Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by pas on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:14AM (#24467653)
But if your chip heavily builds on arm's IP you need a license for that at least as long as you can't replace the infringing parts of the design. Which sounds very much impossible if you also want to progress on other aspects of having the best chips.
Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by spacedcowboy on Monday September 14, 2020 @05:03PM (#24475117)
Apple uses the ARM ISA. It doesn't use ARM IP - as in, the design of the chip. Apple designed their own damn chip!

Since they're not branding it as ARM in any way, shape, or form, and they have a perpetual architectural license to the ISA, I suspect they could do pretty much what they please - as long as they don't call it ARM. Which they don't.

Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by pas on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:29PM (#24475877)
During the design were they careful not to create any derivative works of arm IP and/or not to infringe on any of arm's patents?
Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by spacedcowboy on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:41PM (#24485033)
Apple co-founded the company. I imagine that they have a right to that IP.

Even if not, then yes, I would imagine that a behemoth of IP design like Apple would probably have considered IP rights during that design...

Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by floatboth on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:52AM (#24482678)
They definitely call it ARM in developer tools and technical documents.
Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by scarface74 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:17AM (#24492405)
I doubt that will be true going forward. They first used the “Apple Silicon” branding for the Mac and yesterday they used the branding for the Watch and iPad (?)
Re:Nvidia to Acquire Arm for $40B by delfinom on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @09:11AM (#24480789)
>Just because Apple and nVidia has bad relationship at the moment regarding their GPUs is probably orthogonal to what they'll do with this new branch of nVidia, that is ARM.

Yea, they got fucked by Nvidia business practices multiple times. There's a saying about shame on you, shame on me, etc. Unless the entire Nvidia business unit also gets replaced in the same transaction, it doesn't matter how much of a faux separation of concerns they want to market.