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Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by orev on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:11AM (#24452558)
Watch “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix, see how far off the rails the industry has gone, then come back and tell me that Apple is the bad guy here. Someone needs to start standing up for what’s right, and Apple is probably the only one with the size and cash reserves to be able to do it.

For all the free market cheerleaders, remember this: we already have laws in place preventing or regulating businesses from engaging in certain activities, like exploitation, gambling, addictive drugs, etc. And these companies fighting Apple want to do exactly that: Epic wants to sell digital gambling (loot) boxes to children. Facebook and Instagram want to track everything you do every second of the day, for the dubious goal of making advertising “more relevant to you” (and just happens to have the small side effect of being a tool currently in use to topple democracies around the world). Social networks are hooking into addiction centers of the brain to keep people hooked on misinformation that is actually killing people.

Is Apple perfect? No. Is this one thing going to stop all that I mentioned? No. But you have to start somewhere.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by frosted-flakes on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:16AM (#24452623)
You can support a company for some of its actions while also condemning it for others. It's totally legitimate to be on Epic's side in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit while also supporting Apple's privacy measures.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by samzer on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:16PM (#24453509)
Yep. Totally agree.

I appreciate apple's attempt in the privacy space as well as loathe their 30% mandatory in app purchase integration which EPIC is fighting against. You need someone who is big like Epic to stand against apple as they the resource to battle it out legally.

One of my clients is a small player and they have stripe integration for their service. The android platform uses the stripe integration where as the apple platform has forced in app purchases down their throat. In app purchases should be an option and it should be upto the customer if they want to use it or not.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by nogabebop23 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:06PM (#24453434)
I agree with this belief, as well as not letting perfect be the enemy of better, as in this case: I can choose Apple over FB while still not liking Apple.

The problem is it's really hard to hold these apparently contradictory positions in your head at the same time. We love binary distinctions on single dimension axes because our brains are more efficiently with this paradigm. In truth the world at any degree of scale does not work this way and we've got to do a better job developing more nuanced personal positions.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by stonith on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:31AM (#24452748)
> Epic wants to sell digital gambling (loot) boxes to children

Fortnite hasn't had loot boxes like this for about 18 months. The contents of the box are visible and change each day.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/01/fortnite-puts-an-end-...

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:49AM (#24452882)
Which is still gambling, just on the contents of the next box. It’s obfuscating the gambling, and it’s unfortunately working.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by sorenjan on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:14AM (#24453095)
Either way, Apple takes 30% of the revenue. Apple isn't standing up to Epic's gambling, they''re profiting a lot from it and their only issue with Epic seems to be that they want to keep profiting from it. The Epic and Apple case started when Epic circumvented Apple for in app purchases and lowered their prices accordingly.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:55AM (#24453352)
They don’t get a commission for the sale of the Fortnight software, or for marketing Fortnight on their own dime; do you believe that they don’t deserve to get any commissions for providing Fortnight a platform and publicity?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by oarsinsync on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:08PM (#24453447)
As a developer, I have no desire for Apple to market my software for me. Fortunately for me, Apple has never chosen to highlight and market my software for me. Unfortunately for me, they’re still taking 30% of the revenue for distribution alone, and there’s absolutely no way that’s fair, given that I can self distribute on every other platform for about 4%.

I already have a cloud footprint as my apps depend on it. The bulk of that 4% is in payment processing. The rest is just background noise on my hosting bills.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:33PM (#24453618)
> I have no desire for Apple to market my software for me

Yet you do have a desire for it to run on Apple's hardware, under Apple's OS. And thus you have a desire to do business with them. That you disagree with their rules for doing business by itself doesn't make them the bad guy.

They're offering many of the same terms offered by Microsoft, Google (Android Play store and Stadia), and Sony after all.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by stolsvik on Saturday September 12, 2020 @06:45PM (#24456541)
“Apple’s hardware”?! Is it not the customer’s hardware? We aren’t talking the cloud here, these are devices that the individual customers have already paid for. Apple should have little say in how a customer wants to use their own hardware.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:45PM (#24457801)
So, jailbreak it, and install your own Epic App Store.

But, as I pointed out in a sibling reply, this hardware, firmware, and OS is, practically speaking, not ours. No matter how much as we’d like it to be.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by lebed2045 on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:30PM (#24474132)
then there should a law which makes hardware and software I paid for - mine.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by mcfedr on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:45PM (#24453677)
This is the mistake, as a developer I want my app to run on your hardware, and the hardware of millions of others, it hardware that you happen to have bought from apple, but it's no longer theirs, and if you want to run my app, and I want you to, that should be our choice, not Apples.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @01:42PM (#24454079)
> your hardware

This is a problem that's bigger than Apple, and it's not a problem that will be solved by allowing more stores on the phone - it won't make it somehow "your" hardware.

You can blame Apple for doing this with their phone all you want, but you're fighting against the tide with a shovel. It's an industry standard to lock hardware down to the point where they'd rather the hardware be bricked (the Nintendo Switch and its hardware fuses) than run "libre" software on it.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by scarface74 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:18PM (#24453520)
Epic tried “self distributing” on Android with side loading. Guess how that worked out?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by sorenjan on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:30PM (#24455360)
If they want to charge Epic and other developers of free apps and games, that's one thing. Apple have made a calculated business decision to charge developers $99/year for those expenses, and it's not like they don't profit anything from having a large game and app library. They're not charging for providing a platform and publicity though, they are forcing developers to use their payment processing for in app purchases, which IMO does not contribute 30% of the produced value for those purchases.

But my main point was that trying to frame it as heroic Apple against evil Epic, where Apple tries to save their users from gambling by taking a large cut of the loot, isn't entirely truthful.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by nogabebop23 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:08PM (#24453446)
I guess this is the crux: are they providing a platform and marketing, or are the gate-keeping rent seekers between the developer and their customers?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:31PM (#24453599)
Honestly, both positions are arguable. But, and it's a big but, the fact that it is their hardware and their OS points to the former (their platform, their marketing).

Ultimately, it's their storefront, so who they do business with - and the terms of that business - is their choice (as is so often argued when free speech and platforms comes up here on HN). Competition exists, in the form of other hardware and other OSes (though, Epic's Fortnight was kicked off Google's store for the same reason as it was kicked off Apple's).

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by stonith on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:43AM (#24453280)
That doesn't meet any definition of gambling I'm aware of. It's equivalent to having a daily sale on a set of products.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:52AM (#24453334)
If you purchase a lootcrate, a new lootcrate is revealed for you. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by znpy on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:12PM (#24453480)
That makes sense as point... Yes I can see that giving the same feeling as old lootboxes.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by mlyle on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:04PM (#24453409)
If you want to get all the cool items, you can wait till tomorrow for one of them to maybe show up as an offer, or you can buy boxes until they are offered to you. It might be the very next box!!
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by Anon1096 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:51AM (#24453329)
Does buying a product at full price constitute gambling because tomorrow it might go 50% off?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by scarface74 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:17AM (#24453119)
And Epic has been found guilty since then of illegally convincing minors to spend money in Fortnite.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191008/08591443147/epic-...

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by tpush on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:29AM (#24453197)
The linked article neither found Epic guilty (they settled) nor was it even about Epic convincing minors to spend money, but about Epic suing Fortnite cheaters, one of whom apparently was a minor.

Please don't willingly spread misinformation like this.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by scarface74 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:07PM (#24453436)
Wrong link.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-fortnite-sued-trick...

> U.S. District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers announced a ruling yesterday which stated that Fortnite had convinced minors to spend money in game without parental consent. This ruling keeps Epic on the hook for its misleading business practices.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:30AM (#24453202)
The article you linked says no such thing, it talks only of an out of court settlement.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by scarface74 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:08PM (#24453444)
https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-fortnite-sued-trick...

Was this also an ”out of court settlement”

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:04PM (#24457930)
No.

What's your point? The other one was, that's all I was directing my reply to.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by ctvo on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:43AM (#24452833)
Apple is a giant corporation with varied interests. In some areas they align with consumers (they’re not heavily in advertising... yet) while in others their anti-competitive behavior is harmful.

Writing these impassioned posts like you’re defending the decisions of your favorite sports team that can do no wrong... oof.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by playpause on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:09AM (#24453055)
I don't see any part of the comment that implies that Apple can do no wrong.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by eganist on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:22AM (#24453156)
but Gruber's post is certainly implying as much.

> That’s exactly what Apple is doing — giving users awareness over what is going on, and control over it.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by anthonygd on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:48AM (#24453311)
That doesn't imply that everything Apple does is good, it states that in this case Apple is doing good.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by eganist on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:48PM (#24453697)
The two are not mutually exclusive, and stating a general practice ("giving ... control over it") without further criticisms or clarifications in a given post is exactly what creates a general implication.

I'm not really here to debate. You can disagree, but considering John's well-discussed pro-Apple bias (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9345312), it seems others agree that his writing often goes out of its way to frame Apple in more of a positive light than Apple likely deserves.

It's fine to praise specific actions, but Gruber's known for praising Apple so much that his Apple critiques tend to make news for how rare they are.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by threatofrain on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:37PM (#24453636)
Given that Android supports side loading, what’s the most obvious harm Apple customers are getting with only the App Store? For example, are iOS customers routinely left behind while the Android ecosystem is vibrant? Are iOS customers getting noticeably inferior bang for their buck?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by CalChris on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:54AM (#24452927)
When Apple rejects Epic from its App Store for violating its TOC, is that being 'anti-competitive' ?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by floatboth on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:06AM (#24453030)
The anti-competitiveness is even before that: when Apple decided not to allow sideloading.

Remember when Microsoft was sued for bundling IE with Windows? Now imagine if they blocked other browsers from existing on Windows back then.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by scarface74 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:19AM (#24453140)
And in the US, that lawsuit went nowhere and they never stopped bundling IE.

MS was sued for a number of things including forcing OEMs to pay a license fee for each PC sold whether or not it was shipped with Windows and not allowing third parties to ship alternative browsers.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by CalChris on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:35AM (#24453236)
Yes, not allowing third parties to ship alternative browsers, that was anti-competitive behavior because MS was in the browser business. Now if Apple had a loot box in their game and wouldn't allow Epic to have a loot box in Epic's game, that too would be anti-competitive. But not allowing anyone to have a loot box at all, isn't.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by oarsinsync on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:11PM (#24453479)
> And in the US, that lawsuit went nowhere and they never stopped bundling IE

Your specificity of “in the US” suggests you know that’s not how it went down in the rest of the world, and that they did infact have to stop bundling IE (and other components) in other countries / regional blocs.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by scarface74 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:14PM (#24453495)
And that also did little good in the EU where they had browser choice...

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/technology/11eubrowser.ht...

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by oarsinsync on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:19PM (#24453527)
What did it look like a year after, two years after, five years after, when compared to the US market?

A single datapoint doesn’t tell the whole story.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by scarface74 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @03:22PM (#24463233)
Yes Chrome started taking over. Do you think that was because of browser choice or because it was heavily advertised on the home page of the most visited site on the internet and it was included as bundleware on unrelated products?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by floatboth on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:12AM (#24453075)
> they’re not heavily in advertising... yet

haha, remember iAd? That failed quickly.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by colejohnson66 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:26AM (#24453177)
Didn’t it fail because they used non targeted ads? But those aren’t as effective, so no one used them.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by floatboth on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:01PM (#24482805)
Why aren't they as effective? Contextual ads is what made Google big in the first place, and intuitively it makes sense why they would be the best. It's really weird that personalized ads work well! Makes no sense. Everyone hates how they get ads for stuff they already just bought and so on.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by beaner on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:25AM (#24452695)
You've clearly never played Fortnite. Epic doesn't sell loot boxes, they sell skins. You get exactly what you pay for, there is nothing sketchy about it.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by agrippanux on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:37AM (#24452786)
While I agree it’s not sketchy in that you get what you pay for, the true cost of what you are paying is obfuscated casino-style from their player base, which is mostly kids. Case in point, my son will want to spend 2500 vbucks on a skin until I put that into real dollars for him - “are you sure, that’s $25 of your money” (a bit less with package bonuses notwithstanding).

Perhaps this is my penance for working on FarmVille and Zynga Poker back in the day.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by k12sosse on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:53AM (#24453341)
Worked at Zynga? Damn dog, you don't deserve any time at the mic regarding MTX.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by EForEndeavour on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:27AM (#24460706)
Or maybe his sordid past gives him deep experience that qualifies him for more "time at the mic" than other HN randos speaking from places of inexperience.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by cma on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:45AM (#24452848)
I don't understand how Apple protects by taking a large cut of same?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by beaner on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:09AM (#24453052)
You're getting down voted, but you're right. Apple filters heavily, they know everything in the apps they allow or disallow. Anything that is allowed and that they profit from, they are complicit in.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by srtjstjsj on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:14AM (#24453091)
Certainly looks like karma.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by vsareto on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:50AM (#24453321)
>Watch “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix

I'm sorry, but that show was really, really dumb and unrealistic and I couldn't sit through it.

3 engineers (notably: cringey white dudes) are never following one single user and controlling his interactions like that and it did more harm than good by pretending it works that way.

This implies someone is directly accountable, showing up to work every day and fucking with people's attention regularly, when in reality, it's soulless machines programmed to do this while the engineers are several degrees away from inflicting harm like this.

That's what makes it so dangerous -- not that tech companies have unlimited money to build situation rooms dedicated to following single users around.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by ciex on Sunday September 13, 2020 @06:40AM (#24459930)
Engineers are controlling interactions of single users, even though they are not sitting there as it happens and making decision after decision. The algorithm however, acts as an extended mind of the actual engineers that effects the engineer's choices and decisions. This dynamic is hard to communicate and I think the visual chosen by the show works quite well.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by bobobob420 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:57AM (#24453359)
Why bring up the skin color of the people in the show? What relevance does it have? And I am brown Incase you were wondering as I know skin color is important to you
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by vsareto on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:00PM (#24453389)
Diversity in tech is a problem and this show was reinforcing that.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by chutsu on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:19PM (#24453526)
What are you on about? The show is about how Apps are made addicitve regardless of race, why are you pulling the race card when the tech is indiscriminant? Its like saying I shouldn't watch a documentary on the NBA cause the documentary is not diverse enough, where are all the brown, white, yellow people at? xD
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by vsareto on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:29PM (#24453581)
>when the tech is indiscriminant

It sometimes isn't, but why did they put 3 white dudes in charge of messing with someone's life when they know that's the prevailing stereotype of SV engineers?

Could it be that they were trying to capitalize on that stereotype for shock value? I'd think so.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by chutsu on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:48PM (#24453696)
> why did they put 3 white dudes in charge of messing with someone's life

Maybe because they earnt their position through merit? Maybe because white males are still a majority of the work force in Google, Facebook, and may more? The probability of picking 3 random senior people who are white are not that slim.

I as an Asian man take issue that just because you see white people in the show and automatically assume what the show has to say is not representative of whats happening in the Ad-industry. You could literally replace any color of race and claim it is not representative and disregard the bigger message here. This is a classic reverse-racism.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by vsareto on Saturday September 12, 2020 @01:06PM (#24453821)
>Maybe because they earnt their position through merit?

They earned the position of representing a wildly exaggerated view of how tech companies influence their users?

Give me a break, this show was just dumb. It added no value to the conversation around tech companies.

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Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by oarsinsync on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:17PM (#24453511)
It’s difficult for someone who has taken a 20% loss to not feel aggrieved by another who’s taken a 100% gain.

Even if the person taking the loss started at 100 and ended up at 80, while the person making the gain started at 20 and ended up at 40.

You’re still going to feel persecuted at 80 because of the relative loss. The human mind is super resilient and adaptable. That can be less helpful when it’s adapting to good things, making it the new baseline normal.

One thing I think most people can agree on: relative to recent history, 2020 has been a pretty bad year.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by samzer on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:11PM (#24453472)
They weren't engineers. It was shows attempt to humanize the algorithm.

I agree it was cringy but the shows intent wasn't bad.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by vsareto on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:31PM (#24453601)
We don't humanize statistical methods or other math formulas in similar fashions, we (should) blame the people that wield them irresponsibly.

The show, up until I stopped watching, felt like slow-rolling click bait.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by orev on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:55PM (#24465954)
I think you might benefit from learning about literary devices like allegories and metaphors. You are taking that way too literally. The show is trying to explain complicated things to regular people.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by XCSme on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:21PM (#24454788)
The 3 engineers are just a representation of the user-tailored AI algorithms, that are trying to optimize user engagement and session duration.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by shrewduser on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:22AM (#24452668)
Apple cares about their bottom line, they're privacy focused only because it works for their business model.

If they stopped being anti right to repair then maybe i'd be interested.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by vpears87 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:48AM (#24452874)
That's it right there, business models which align with (or are constrained by) society's values.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by nogabebop23 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:12PM (#24453484)
isn't this how we'll get privacy the easy way(tm) though, by making it a valid business model?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by kcolford on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:01PM (#24455632)
What do you lose by doing this though? I think a monopoly is just as dangerous as unregulated/unrestrained capitalism. I don't think taking the easy way is the right way.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by asimov42 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:43AM (#24453281)
So what about all the other gaming apps on the iOS store? Literally thousands of them are specifically designed to get (trick) kids to spend money on them. Apple is more than happy to enable In-App purchases for them and then promotes them heavily through its own advertising on the app store. How is Apple not part of the problem in this whole system?
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by benologist on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:53AM (#24453340)
Apple and Facebook have both been sued for this. Facebook were literally calling it friendly fraud and trying not to prevent it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2019/01/25/facebook-tu...

The FTC alleges Apple allowed the same thing on their platform for three years after they became aware.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/technology/government-and...

But what's really amazing is Google, Amazon and Microsoft have all been sued for the same thing too and it still not illegal to have games where kids can spend unlimited amounts and conduct unlimited transactions using obfuscated virtual currencies.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by tatersolid on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:27PM (#24457692)
Apple has parental controls to prevent this, and basically forces you through configuring them when you set up an iDevice account for a minor.

I have three kids and have never had an in-app or other purchase that I didn’t approve.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by ianai on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:49AM (#24453315)
It’s got to start somewhere. Punch the biggest bullies in the yard down and everyone of their comrades will get the point and generally fall in line. Or you’ve got smaller fries to then make examples of on your own time. If you start at the bottom and work your way up the bigger players will just benefit from lack of competition and not see a need for change. The whataboutism is really an argument against change at all than it is a question of tactics.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by veeti on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:32AM (#24452756)
Apple cares so much they will take 30% of those loot box profits.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by falcolas on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:52AM (#24452903)
Except they kicked fortnight off the store, so they are now getting 0%. And since Fortnight is free to buy, Apple would also get $0 if forced to allow non-IAP purchases.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by projectdelphai on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:04PM (#24454635)
Weren't they already getting 0% since Epic snuck IAP outside of Apple's system into their app to bypass Apple's requirements? So Apple had no choice but to ban them. You're implying that by not kicking fortnight off the store, they'd still be getting 30%
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by CalChris on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:03AM (#24453009)
'would' not 'will'. Since they banned the loot box, Apple cares so much they actually 'are' giving up that 30%.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by UnpossibleJim on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:33AM (#24453220)
Loot boxes became illegal, as they were determined to be a form of online gambling. It wasn't a stance that Apple took to protect their customer, it was a federally mandated action handed down from the courts.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by kexx on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @05:52PM (#24498425)
Calling apple to be a social justice warrior is the most ironic thing I heard for a while. We are speaking about the company who actively encourages developers to go to subscription model no matter what the app does, the company, which does everything in order to make businesses unable to fix their devices, so stop their give competition for their outrageous repair prices and methods, the one who do everything to monopolize cash transfer for their sweet 30% cut for literally everything, the one who is using exactly the some components for a new model of a laptop, while they already have internal documentation about said component to be often failing in a short time. So LOL
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by api on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:23AM (#24452675)
So much this. I hate that closed app stores are currently the best way to achieve it, but Apple is fighting malware for its users plain and simple... at least when it comes to the socials.

The loot boxes issue is new to me though. Citation?

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by gameswithgo on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:57AM (#24453361)
apple is perfectly happy for epic to sell loot boxes as long as they get a cut
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by marcrosoft on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:56AM (#24452945)
There’s nothing wrong with the free market. They just unfortunately don’t give a crap about privacy.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by parsimoniousplb on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:26AM (#24452703)
There are no democracies being "toppled" via instagram, there are only some liberal parties being voted out of office as their policies have been massive failures, which is democracy working as intended.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by burlesona on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:00PM (#24453387)
You should read this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44244963-breaking-the-tw...

I agree that democracy in the US is shaky, but it has more to do with failures of both sides caused by the system. Really worthwhile read.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by parsimoniousplb on Sunday September 13, 2020 @02:30AM (#24458862)
Lower case liberal was meant as in Liberalism, the wider movement that came out of the Enlightenment and most certainly includes parties from "both sides". Traditional conservative parties are being rejected as well.
Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by colejohnson66 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:30AM (#24453203)
Their policies are only failures if you’re looking through the eyes of a conservative. The left sees the world differently than the right, and, as such, focus on different issues. To the left, Trump has been an absolute failure, but the right adores him. Who’s right?

The right hates Gavin Newsom; They’re on their third recall attempt. But he wasn’t elected for no reason; He was elected because his campaign promises were what the people who put him there wanted.

That’s democracy working as intended as well.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by burlesona on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:10PM (#24453462)
It’s not that simple. Newsom has accomplished little of his agenda and it’s not because of “the right,” which hardly exists in California. The Democrats in California torpedoed the latest housing bill, which merely attempted to legalize duplexes statewide, evoking the apocalyptic destruction of single family neighborhoods as it’s result.

The world is also not as simple as “left” and “right,” and I’ve found that it’s unwise to tell someone else what it’s like from their POV. We should instead speak for ourselves, and be genuinely interested and curious why others think the way they do.

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by colejohnson66 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:49PM (#24454512)
> [...] “the right,” which hardly exists in California.

“The right” make up about a third of the state[0] if the 2018 gubernatorial election is anything to go by. I wouldn’t call that “hardly exist[ing].” They may not be powerful enough to vote in who they want, but they’re there.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_gubernatorial_...

Re:Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri by parsimoniousplb on Sunday September 13, 2020 @02:57AM (#24458967)
They are failures in the eyes of people who used to vote for them but now don't. This is not a left/right thing. Neither is the wider liberal movement that includes most conservative parties, a destinction most likely lost on US-based uppercase Liberals who interpert my comment as a attack on them. It is an observation about the wider liberal project that is in decline everywhere.