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Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by adrianN on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:18AM (#24450568)
I have a theory that this is due to pressure from the car industry. All non-car alternatives are nerfed: The 45km/h for these things, the 25km/h limit for electric bicycles, the 20km/h limit for e-scooters. All are 5-10km/h too slow to drive on the road without impeding traffic, making them significantly less attractive.
Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by gambiting on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:53AM (#24451239)
Or you know....it's a smart move by the legislators. Want to drive at car-like speeds? Get a car licence with everything that it involves then.

With bicycles it makes even more sense - since the reality is that despite what the law says, many people ride them on pavements - so the speed should be limited to what is safe for pedestrians.

Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by adrianN on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:23PM (#24454330)
It is of course a smart move by the legislators, since the car industry in critically important for the economy and "proper" cars have a much larger profit margin.
Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by jablan on Saturday September 12, 2020 @06:38AM (#24451447)
That's ridiculous. The legislators don't have any reason (except being bribed by car industry) to encourage people to use cars instead of more human-friendly modes of transport.

Also, if people are riding bikes on the pavement, it's a clear signal that they don't have a safe alternative.

Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by gambiting on Saturday September 12, 2020 @07:02AM (#24451544)
>>The legislators don't have any reason (except being bribed by car industry) to encourage people to use cars instead of more human-friendly modes of transport.

Wait, I'm confused now, are you arguing for or against this thing then? You do realize that the Ami is made by Citroen, which is a car company, right? So....which way is this alleged bribe supposed to flow, exactly?

And really, like you can't see any reason at all? Just off the top of my head - legislators say, for the sake of safety, that if a vehicle of any type can reach 50km/h or higher, it's a car. That's a car speed, therefore it should require a car licence. Because of that, manufacturers artificially limit the speed to 45km/h, so you don't need a licence to drive one of these. I'm not sure how would the car manufacturers bribe here - for? Or against this law? Because honestly, I can make an argument for either.

>>Also, if people are riding bikes on the pavement, it's a clear signal that they don't have a safe alternative.

You're stating the obvious here. Equally obvious is that the councils "should just build more bike paths". But in reality there is no money to do this. Local councils have barely enough money to clean the streets and patch the worst potholes, and building new bike lanes is a far higher expenditure than this. The problem might be solved with time, or it might not. The law should reflect reality(and it does), not some made up utopia that doesn't exist.

Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by fock on Saturday September 12, 2020 @08:39AM (#24451968)
I don't think, building bike lanes in dense cities is hard. A bit of Jersey wall, some signs, single lane traffic for cars. You save a lot of pothole repairs soon!
Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by Chris2048 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @12:53PM (#24453736)
> A bit of Jersey wall, some signs, single lane traffic for cars

How much do you imagine that costs?

Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by adrianN on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:25PM (#24454344)
A lot less than infrastructure for cars. For example, upgrading the A8 autobahn in Germany costs 71000€ per meter.
Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by Chris2048 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:26PM (#24461911)
Which may be appropriate for an exceptional piece of infrastructure capable of hosting heavy vehicles as well as cars.

If you are going to compare "infrastructure" then you have to compare everything, including how many people benefit - everyone who shops at a supermarket benefits from the road system even if they own no vehicle.

Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by sokoloff on Saturday September 12, 2020 @08:25AM (#24451915)
In which way should the law reflect reality? Allowing bikes on pavement if there’s no money to build bike lanes? Good idea; I agree. Telling bikes to screw off and you have to walk your bike along the sidewalk because there’s no money for bike lanes here and we only allow cars on pavement? Not getting my support.
Re:Ami, a tiny cube on wheels that French 14-year-olds can d... by benbojangles on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:55AM (#24452941)
You are correct. They also build cars that can do double the speed limit and sell this as a feature. I sometimes wonder Does the theory extend to the idea that the world would collapse if petroleum taxation vanished overnight?