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Re:Nikola: How to Parlay an Ocean of Lies into a Partnership... by revnode on Thursday September 10, 2020 @09:38PM (#24438338)
> Solar roof was 100% fake product

They have a number of installations in California that were done for real clients and are fully functional. It may not be viable or scalable, but it is absolutely not fake. It is an actual product that works.

Re:Nikola: How to Parlay an Ocean of Lies into a Partnership... by justapassenger on Thursday September 10, 2020 @10:29PM (#24438599)
What they install now is Chinese solar roof. What they Elon showed during presentation was 100% fake.

"Still, the company does acknowledge that the demos Musk unveiled at Universal Studios were not functional"

(https://www.fastcompany.com/40422084/inside-steel-pulse-the-...)

Re:Nikola: How to Parlay an Ocean of Lies into a Partnership... by risyachka on Friday September 11, 2020 @01:48AM (#24439547)
Not yet manufactured doesn't is not the same as fake.
Re:Nikola: How to Parlay an Ocean of Lies into a Partnership... by etripe on Friday September 11, 2020 @07:29AM (#24441527)
Would a business offering food replicators (the Trek kind that materialise energy into food) seem fraudulent to you? Would they be selling a fake product or just not have manufactured it yet?
Re:Nikola: How to Parlay an Ocean of Lies into a Partnership... by Nasrudith on Friday September 11, 2020 @03:40PM (#24446528)
The difference is intent. A company could be run by a crackpot who sincerely believes that he can create a food replicator and states irrelevant qualifications. His process involves spending day after day drawing paper schematics and putting it in a literal black box. It would never work and couldn't be manufactured but it wouldn't be fraud.

Making the same claims of goals and taking the money and running? Fraud.

Re:Nikola: How to Parlay an Ocean of Lies into a Partnership... by foobiekr on Friday September 11, 2020 @02:21PM (#24445722)
What, in your mind, is fraud if announcing fake products as real does not qualify?