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Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by paxys on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:30AM (#24417137)
There aren't many platforms there are exactly two. And the costs of switching between them are significant enough that this argument holds less water by the day.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by jjcon on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:55AM (#24417274)
> there are exactly two

If we are talking about platforms and not codebases there are waaay more than two.

iOS (App store)

Android (Google Play)

FireOS (Amazon App Store)

LineageOS (Fdroid)

One UI (Galaxy Store)

To name a few. These all have distinct and thriving marketplaces for apps with decent market share (some can overlap). The code base they use is irrelevant for this context.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:12AM (#24417366)
How many of those are installed on more than 1% of mobile devices (however broadly construed)? I think the answer is two. Amazon has like 10% of the tablet market share, but the tablet market is like 1/20th the size of the phone market.

Just to demonstrate that this is the variable that matters, consider the case where there are exactly three devices that have each of the other marketplaces installed on them, respectively. Would they present a meaningful competitive alternative to the big two?

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by Google234 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:13AM (#24417375)
Apple store is on like less than 10% of phones to be fair
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by jjcon on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:15AM (#24417389)
> How many of those are installed on more than 1% of mobile devices

4/5 in the examples I gave.

Google, Apple, Samsung and Amazon all have decent market share.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by phaus on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:59AM (#24417699)
Samsung's market is installed on a substantial percentage of phones but almost no one on any of those devices uses anything besides the regular Google Play store. So while you technically answered his question in the larger conversation Samsung's app store isn't a competitive alternative.

I couldn't find robust stats on Amazon's market share overall but I did find that they sold 5.3% of all tablets in Q3 2019. So if its true that the phone market is 20 times larger than that it would mean its unlikely that The Amazon App store is installed on 1% of all mobile devices.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by wruza on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @04:42AM (#24418796)
So users do use playstore in the presence of the other store. Doesn't that contradict the argument that they are poor non-tech walled-gardened who cannot choose? This entire farce is about developers who want to control platforms they do not own, on devices they do not own, with users who do not even want to deal with them under rules other than playstore ones.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:20AM (#24417428)
I am skeptical that Amazon has 1% market share. I found a datum that Samsung has like 25M MAU in the US, but I doubt that they do more than 1% of the total app transactions in the US. Maybe in Korea.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by jjcon on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:42AM (#24417589)
> there are exactly two (AppStores)

> How many of those are installed on more than 1% of mobile devices (however broadly construed)?

> I doubt that they do more than 1% of the total app transactions

These goal posts keep moving

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @08:13AM (#24420144)
True, I incorrectly identified the important metric in my comment. However, my mistake does not change which metric is important.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by mahkeiro on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:16AM (#24417398)
Your are not naming platform, you are naming alternate app store on Android... completely defeat your point.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by jjcon on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:18AM (#24417409)
These are all distinct platforms - their code base is irrelevant in the context of marketplaces (as I already noted)
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pgt on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:12AM (#24417370)
I have never heard of the other three.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by jjcon on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:16AM (#24417395)
You haven’t heard of Samsung or Amazon’s OSs?