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Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by noahtallen on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:00PM (#24413304)
> just charge them for development tools

Thing is, Apple still charges $100 USD per year for a developer license which lets you distribute your app, so this is already happening! :)

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pier25 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:47AM (#24417234)
Yep.

From the court documents, Apple said there are 27M AppStore registered devs. Even if only half of those pay $100 per year that's still about $1.3B per year.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @03:30AM (#24418302)
Pennies, when compared with console devkit prices.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by saagarjha on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:36AM (#24419149)
Surely there are not 27 million console developers?
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:37AM (#24419888)
No, because the money stakes to get into the console development game party is much higher than iOS, which apparently Epic is happy to pay for.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pier25 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:27PM (#24423409)
Those devs do still need a Mac and (most likely) an iOS device too. There's your dev kit.

Edit:

It's even worse than with consoles as every dev needs at least a Mac. When developing for consoles most work is not done on the dev kit itself.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by dgellow on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:08PM (#24413396)
Even worse. $100 is for individual developers, it’s $299 per year for organizations.

Google asks for $25, once, for a team that can be an individual or an organization, as you wish.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by hinkley on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:23PM (#24413587)
Even wor... really?

That is less than the coffee bean budget for a month at most of these organizations. They probably spend more than that a year on parts and labor for the coffee equipment.

That organization fee is a token fee. A little friction so that it makes you serious and it stings a bit if it gets cancelled. To maybe not faff about and get down to shipping a product. A few bucks to cover things like CA maintenance and help fund some outreach programs I suspect.

$100 for individuals might be a bit on the steep side, I'll grant you. Or a stick to get you to become an organization as soon as possible.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by zakki on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:54PM (#24413956)
Even worse is in relation with 30% cut. They charge $100 per year for the development tools. Yet, the outcome of the development tools must be sold in Apple market with 30% cut.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by dgellow on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:35AM (#24417937)
It’s 10 times the $25 from Google Play, and is per year. That’s in addition to the $100 that you have for the Apple store as far I understood their documentation.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by hinkley on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:05PM (#24423886)
I mean, that's 12x, but last I heard you also make about 8x as much money on iOS as you do on Google Play, so dickering over $274 is still petty.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by ncw96 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:37PM (#24413754)
If you are an organization, Apple’s fee is still $99 per year for the standard account with App Store publishing access.

There is a second program called the Apple Developer Enterprise Program, which is $299 per year, and is only required if you wish to deploy apps for internal use across your organization without using the App Store.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by dgellow on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:37AM (#24417942)
Correct, I mixed “enterprise” and “organization”. Thanks for the clarification and additional details
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by dwaite on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:51PM (#24413917)
It is $99 for developer organizations. It is $299 for enterprises who wish to do their own enterprise signing (e.g skip the store).