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Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by adolph on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @11:34AM (#24342909)
One reason Flex contractors do this is to get around the requirements for being a driver, such as having a valid license or being authorized to work in the U.S., according to a person familiar with the matter. In such cases, someone who meets the requirements downloads the Flex app and is offered a route earning $18 an hour. He or she accepts the route and then pays someone else $10 an hour to do it, said the person, who requested anonymity to discuss a private matter.

https://fourhourworkweek.com/

Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by stygiansonic on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @12:14PM (#24343390)
Delivery gig arbitrage. Now how long before the cash flow from such operations is securitized and sold off? </sarcasm>
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by gumby on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @12:42PM (#24343675)
Amazon could do this under an innocuously-named subsidiary to reduce their effective hourly pay costs.
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by adolph on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @03:08PM (#24345644)
It might be a valid way around "sticky wages."

If one looks at the whole economy, some prices might be very flexible and others rigid. This will lead to the aggregate price level (which we can think of as an average of the individual prices) becoming "sluggish" or "sticky" in the sense that it does not respond to macroeconomic shocks as much as it would if all prices were flexible. The same idea can apply to nominal wages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominal_rigidity

If Amazon were to open a subsidiary for lower priced delivery services it might be able to maintain its workforce branding and add lower rungs to the wage ladder for the purpose of labor supply development. It might be politically inconvenient for a wealthy company like Amazon to have an acknowledged wage tiering system even if it makes sense on different levels. For example, Amazon probably cannot publicly hire people without workforce documentation--an unacknowledged arms-length subsidiary would be able to provide this service.

Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by gumby on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @07:16PM (#24348234)
This is sort of like taxi medallions. Amazon could have people pay to become authorized drivers, and then the medallion holders could rent them out.
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by munk-a on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:08PM (#24346414)
That innocuously named subsidiary could also team up with Uber and Lyft to skirt AB5 in California! Think of the monetization possibilities!
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by me_me_me on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @12:43PM (#24343680)
Sadly i would remove the sarcasm markup.
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by 082349872349872 on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @02:08PM (#24344816)
"Greenmail Goes Transnational" (alt history from 1990) https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-03-23-me-521-st...
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by kjs3 on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:23PM (#24346601)
A/R lines of credit have been a thing for a long time.
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by moolcool on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @01:37PM (#24344402)
I really don't understand how Four Hour Workweek doesn't get a ton of scorn, it's suggested approach is just so innately dishonest.
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by abdullahkhalids on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @02:13PM (#24344887)
Because the point of reading the book is not to exactly replicate his life. Only to be aware of ways of reducing the amount of work in your own life.

Edit: it's the same idea as when I boxed competitively, and watched a Manny Pacquiao documentary. I wasn't going to wake up at 3 am to drink a 1000 calorie shake or do a 1000 sit ups everyday. I wanted to get into the mindset of optimizing my training within the reasonable constraints of my student life.

Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by adolph on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @03:18PM (#24345788)
Have you ever bought something, say software, to make some work task easier or better fit how you work?

For example, I've started using a fountain pen and really like it better than the pens at the office and use it for minor work tasks. Four Hour Work Week isn't different from that but presents an extreme.

The hyperbolic subcontracting seems like a pain in the neck to manage to me, but I appreciate the challenge to think of work in terms of those activities in which I can personally add value and those that I can source value. How much of the time do we miss opportunities to do things better by forgetting to take a moment and think out the build vs buy implications?

Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by dencodev on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @02:02PM (#24344729)
I think most people reading it don't realize this. I thought it was pretty obvious when I first read it that the odds of replicating what Tim did was very low. It's about as likely as those people who lucked out on some affiliate keyword and now making $500k+ a year with a static html page with affiliate links and consistently places in first place on google. Plenty of stories of this happening, even on HN
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by paulpauper on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @03:58PM (#24346314)
so matt drudge. a static html page with ads
Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by throWaythxMod on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @12:39PM (#24343645)
Meh the 4 hour workweek is basically snake oil.

Even Tim's own product couldn't be reduced to 4 hours. "If only I didn't sell a nutritional product, I wouldn't be getting contacted so much."

Yes, and if my job was to fill out paperwork and never Engineer, I could do my work in 4 hours a week.

Heck even if I paid some engineer in india, I'd still need to review their work, including learning the technologies and data sheets. I'm not sure how managers deal with this, just hope for the best?

Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by vorpalhex on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @03:29PM (#24345948)
> I'm not sure how managers deal with this, just hope for the best?

Good managers do what you said earlier - learn the tech, study the sheets, talk to experts and build appropriate understanding and knowledge.

Bad managers deflect, blame, hide, etc

Re:Amazon drivers are hanging smartphones in trees to get mo... by kjs3 on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:22PM (#24346592)
True, if a bit oversimplified. But cynically, as a manager (one of the former type, I like to think), if you're able to outsource your work, while maintaining the expected quality of work product, without breaking any security/compliance/governance rules...I'm not really sure I'd have a ton of heartburn.