Re:Impact of Go AI on the professional Go world
by X6S1x6Okd1st on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:36PM
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I can't find many good resources, but at least the joseki explorer on OGS has been listing some pretty heavy favoring for particular moves on a given joseki. Couldn't we see specific joseki lines get more entrenched and go further?
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Re:Impact of Go AI on the professional Go world
by benchaney on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:50PM
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AI have certainly been changing which joseki are popular and which aren't, but this isn't the same as increasing the amount of memorization in the game since joseki aren't new.
The AI favored lines are likely to get heavily entrenched. I wouldn't expect them to go further because they generally end when becomes better to play elsewhere. There are a few fighting joseki where this isn't the case, but AI doesn't seem to like them much, although there are a few exceptions.
Re:Impact of Go AI on the professional Go world
by clankyclanker on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:31PM
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> There are a few fighting joseki where this isn't the case, but AI doesn't seem to like them much
Do we know if those moves are actually weaker overall, or is there some other sort of selection bias at play?
Re:Impact of Go AI on the professional Go world
by roenxi on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:26PM
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I think some of the AI are trained by forcing them to play random moves every so often. That might bias them towards larger, more flexible openings where there are large regions of the board that make sense to play in rather than specific move sequences.
But if I were guessing, the AI probably doesn't like fighting joseki because it knows how the fight will end. AIs are much, much better than humans at working out who won a fight.