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Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by mrpopo on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:56AM (#24303802)
> I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do.

You can talk to your representatives about it. You can start actively boycotting Chinese-made products (not so easy, I know). You can donate to NGOs such as the UHRP (Uyghur Human Rights Project). You can follow them on Twitter.

It's not like Lebron James will solve this either, so don't blame it on him.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by Darmody on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:06AM (#24303873)
I do boycott Chinese products. I can't boycott everything because sometimes there are no alternatives but I do what I can.

Lebron can't solve this but what he can do is at least talk about it. One word and millions of people would know about it.

Same thing happens with the NBA. They're very vocal about BLM but when it comes to HK...you can't even buy a t-shirt with "Free Honk Kong" on it.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by jsiepkes on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:51AM (#24304231)
A positive view would be that you could say that even the NBA needs to "pick it's battles" and can't do all of BLM, HK, Uyghurs, etc.

A more grim view would be that in the end companies will do what's best for them. Currently It's in the NBA's best interest to support BLM since it affects their base. HK, Uyghurs, etc. doesn't really affect them and fighting a battle for it doesn't help them in anyway.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:59AM (#24304306)
NBA players choose BLM for their protests and you choose China, I don’t see the problem. Blaming them for international policy seems a little naive.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by jerf on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:10AM (#24304395)
It sounds like you may not be aware that the NBA has been actively and specifically blocking criticism of China. It sounds like currently they've reversed that policy on at least what custom jerseys they'll print, but only after a lot of pressure. The NBA is not neutrally "permitting" their players to protest things if they happen to want to, they have taken an extremely active role in what political actions are and are not allowed, and anti-China protests have consistently been on the "not allowed" side, by the league. The NBA, as an organization, is not a neutral; they have chosen sides.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:16AM (#24304444)
I am well aware of the NBA's actions. The specific question was about an NBA player, which would be the NBA Players Association, not the league itself. They work for the league, in the same way many of the companies HN Readers work for do business in China.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by vinceguidry on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:52AM (#24304795)
They'd block BLM support as well if they could get away with it.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by Darmody on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:16AM (#24304439)
I don't choose China. I'll speak up against anything that I think is wrong. China treatment to the Uighurs is one of them.

You won't see me saying "black lives don't matter" only to earn some money.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by abc-xyz on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:13AM (#24303924)
I’m voting and campaigning for politicians that I might disagree with on 99% of all issues for the sole reason that they’re willing and capable of standing up to China.

For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.

I’d also say boycotting Made in China and companies kowtowing to China isn’t as difficult as people say. You might not be able to boycott it 100%, but it’s not that hard to find alternatives to 90+% of the products.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:49AM (#24304213)
==For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.==

What is Trump doing about the concentration camps this article is about?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by elliekelly on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:03AM (#24304335)
Tacitly approving of them to Xi, according to Bolton.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by jkhdigital on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:55AM (#24304839)
Yes, because we should all listen to and trust John Bolton, one of the worst war criminals of the 21st century.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/p...

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:08AM (#24304998)
I would sure be upset with whoever nominated him to join the National Security Council.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by jkhdigital on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:17AM (#24305123)
I am! It was a horrible mistake and I'm glad he's gone now. But to be clear, Bolton did the vast majority of his damage during the Bush administration.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:31AM (#24306040)
Then Trump decided to bring him back. Right after the recently arrested Steve Brannon left. Only the best people.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by DataWorker on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:58AM (#24304884)
“According to Bolton”
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by hajile on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:19AM (#24305136)
The OP article itself links to an article about trump considering officially labelling the situation a genocide.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/25/trump-administratio...

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by abc-xyz on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:07AM (#24304367)
His trade war is hurting China a lot - companies are being forced to leave due to the high tariffs, Chinese companies are suffering (for instance, Huawei not being allowed to use Android, banned from using chips with US tech, etc.), TAIPEI Act and Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act was also signed under his administration. He’s the first US President to speak directly with Taiwan’s President since 1979, he made the largest arms sale to Taiwan in the past few decades, China Mobile were blocked from offering services in US, Huawei is being blocked from building 5G networks (even paying other nations to block them as well), TikTok and WeChat likely to be banned from the App Stores as well (hopefully worldwide), he keep reminding people that the Wuhan Virus originated in China and that they’re responsible for the pandemic, China about to lose the developing country WTO status, HK special status revoked, etc.

There’s really not a single person who’s done more to stand up to China than Trump has. Just look at China’s reputation today compared to 4 years ago.. the world is finally starting to wake up to the dangers of the CCP. And I really don’t care what his motives are.. I know he probably couldn’t care less about the Uyghurs, but his actions towards China are helping the hundreds of millions of people currently and about to suffer from the CCP.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by DataWorker on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:17AM (#24305117)
I wouldn’t assume he doesn’t care. He is human don’t forget. I do wonder how much the tougher stance towards China is specific to this administration. Can we know that a different administration would not have acted similarly. Maybe not the willingness to increase taxes on trade quite so aggressively, which is odd coming from a republican but the results have been encouraging with the American economy hitting record highs despite his much vilified trade war.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by abc-xyz on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:36AM (#24305368)
CCP’s atrocities are nothing new.. the only thing that’s new is that we finally have a couple of leaders that are beginning to stand up to China (such as USA and India), and Trump’s actions are forcing other nations hands.. for instance, Canada got dragged into it when Meng Wanzhou was rightfully arrested, to which the CCP responded with arbitrary arrests of Canadians in China.

Biden went on record saying he would end Trump’s China tariffs, and we can also see how little the EU and other western countries are doing to stand up to China (and how little Biden did during his 8 years’ vice presidency)..

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Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by harpiaharpyja on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:33AM (#24304078)
Having to fall back into unsubstantiated hyperbole like "worst president in history" and "screwing the country" probably doesn't help to win anyone over.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by gigatexal on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @07:10AM (#24352046)
Trump's character flaws, faux status as a successful business mogul, a conservative, a champion of the Republican party, a racist, ... is left to the reader. (A hilariously easy task with some time and Google.)

What I wanted to address was the single issue of China garnering votes for Trump's second term. JFK is famously quoted for this: "...Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,..."[1] America didn't become the world's top economy by being anti-globalist. We manufactered things, we exported things, we embraced international trade. We pioneered the transistor, created silicon valley, and created an environment where enterprising foreign nationals could come with their ambitions and build companies that ultimately would employ Americans, enrich stock holders, and create jobs. But ... now Trump and his administration is slowly closing the US off from immigration of persons and businesses and ideas. How many of the worlds future Fortune 100 companies are in the minds of PHd students or researchers that given this new visa situation will think twice about incorporating in the USA? Just look at the businesses created in the first and second tech booms and ask how many founders were foreigners.

Regarding the foreign reserve currency and Chinese military might. I guess I am more bullish on that not changing anytime soon. The US spends far too much in propping up the military industrial complex that it would take generations of incompetent presidents to ruin that lead. That being said it's very disconerting for Trump to be so cozy with our enemies, to openly praise North Korea (could be a policy of appeasement or just keeping one's enemies closer than his freinds... i dunno) and to give exuberant praise to Putin, etc., and to disregard intel from his own agencies, to badmouth the FBI and the CIA, to bilk the government into paying himself by staying at his own properties, golfing practically his whole presidency, praising white supremacists, ... all of this is forgiven because he's "hard on China". HAH!

To think that President Xi isn't 10 moves ahead is to be truly ignorant.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:51AM (#24304233)
Most job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever?

Does that win anyone over?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by logicchains on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:11AM (#24304402)
>Most job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever?

>Does that win anyone over?

How can you blame Trump for that when the unemployment rate was the lowest in over a decade before 2020, and the job losses / fall in unemployment was due to lockdowns he didn't support? Overall the unemployment rate is much better in Red states, which have weaker or no lockdowns: https://www.aier.org/article/unemployment-far-worse-in-lockd...

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:07AM (#24304982)
==Overall the unemployment rate is much better in Red states, which have weaker or no lockdowns==

This data is from May 9th. Do you think anything has changed in Teas, Arizona, and Florida since then?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by logicchains on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:15AM (#24305086)
Well we can find out: https://floridajobs.org/workforce-statistics/workforce-stati... shows 11.3% as latest numbers for Florida, https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployme... shows 8.4% for Texas (fallen for the third month in a row), and https://www.azpm.org/p/home-articles-news/2020/8/26/179229-n... shows 10.6% for Arizona. https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/nyc-unemployment-ra... shows New York is at 20%, and https://edd.ca.gov/newsroom/unemployment-august-2020.htm shows California's is 13.3%. So those three are still doing better (although it wasn't Trump who pushed them to lock down so again I don't see how it makes sense to blame him for the effects of lockdown).
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:36AM (#24305362)
Getting the blame is part of being the country’s chief executive. There are two main categories here, economy and health. We are performing worse than Europe on both accounts (higher death toll and higher unemployment rate). Does that tell you we are doing something wrong as a country?
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by wycy on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:58AM (#24304888)
I think it's a bit unfair to blame him for the unemployment rate having gotten so high, but it is fair to blame him for how long it has lasted. If he'd shown the tiniest bit of competent leadership through the pandemic, we could have locked down for 2 months, suffered the high unemployment, and then largely gotten back to normalcy(+masks) by now. Most jobs could have come back, especially if we had done something like furloughs like the UK did. Instead, it got completely out of control entirely due to his incompetence.

Unemployment being higher in locked down states makes sense. But the flipside of that statistic is that daily deaths in red states are reaching new peaks now while they've flatlined to lows in blue states.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by logicchains on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:08AM (#24304997)
>If he'd shown the tiniest bit of competent leadership through the pandemic, we could have locked down for 2 months, suffered the high unemployment, and then largely gotten back to normalcy(+masks) by now.

Then why haven't the Blue states that have been locked down for months gotten back to normalcy? Like California and New York? Why hasn't Melbourne gotten back to normalcy? Almost nowhere that prevented a first wave by shutting down has managed to avoid a second wave.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:12AM (#24305057)
Oddly, you failed to mention all of Europe. they have a lower unemployment rate than the US [1].

[1] https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/unemployment-rate-in-eu-ris...

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by logicchains on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:21AM (#24305175)
Looks like from your link it's 7.1%. For the no lockdown states on https://www.aier.org/article/unemployment-far-worse-in-lockd..., it's around 6%.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by wycy on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:51AM (#24305568)
A single percentage point difference in unemployment data versus versus thousands of deaths. And comparing dense European countries to rural red states. Your data is devastating to your point.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:00AM (#24305688)
The data you are giving is from early-May, it’s almost September.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by wycy on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:42AM (#24305422)
Blue states can't go back to normalcy since diseased red staters can still travel freely within the country and ruin it all over again. Also because Americans are too stubborn to mask up for the privilege of normalcy.

Places like Australia have gone back to normalcy(+masks) now. Japan can pack a train full of people(+masks).

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by ghostwriter on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:07AM (#24305751)
> Blue states can't go back to normalcy since diseased red staters can still travel freely within the country and ruin it all over again.

Yeah, because everyone flocks into NY and CA nowadays, and it's not the other way around.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by logicchains on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:29AM (#24304046)
Because whatever Trump apparently did is way worse than China apparently sticking a million Muslims in concentration camps?
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:52AM (#24304241)
What has Trump done to stop the concentration camps aside from praise their leader and sell products made there?
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by logicchains on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:18AM (#24304470)
This poster gave some examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304367
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by take_a_breath on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:03AM (#24304944)
I didn't see any sources or references on that comment nor does it mention the concentration camps anywhere.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by abc-xyz on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:36AM (#24304098)
Yeah, I’m afraid so. I wish liberal politicians were willing to stand up to China, and I try to encourage them to do so. But at the moment I’m unfortunately stuck supporting people like Trump.

At the end of the day it boils down to how much damage is Trump and other conservatives able to inflict compared to the CCP. I’m pro immigration, privacy, eu, choice, police-reforms, etc. my views are very much aligned with what you see in Scandinavia.. but at the end of the day, I see CCP as the greatest threat that the world is facing, and I feel voting against all my beliefs to help stop them is a necessary sacrifice.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by tomp on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:41AM (#24304149)
Technically, having started no new wars, makes him one of the best presidents in history (as a non-American, that's the most important dimension of any US presidency.)

(Caveat: I think US entering WWII was justified so I don't blame FDR, and also given that Bush & Obama attacked so many countries, it's hard to find another country to invade, so arguably Trump had an easier job... but still. Good job!)

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by mc32 on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:33AM (#24304080)
I'm a lowercase independent—for the life of me, why did the Democrat party choose the worst candidate of the lot two campaigns in a row?

Biden has tons of baggage. If he had an (R) next to his name and nothing else in life different he’d be getting creamed for all his previous policies, stances and quotes. In addition, mentally he’s not lasting four years of intense presidential demands.

In 2016 Clinton was Bush heavy (or comparatively Bush would be Clinton lite)

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by JackFr on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:45AM (#24304175)
There’s something terrible about the primary system and it’s not obvious how to fix it. It is ostensibly more representative than the system which came before it, but honestly it seems in the past 20 years to have delivered extraordinarily low quality candidates for both parties more often than not. It’s not clear what the solution is though.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by derwiki on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:12AM (#24304405)
What was better about primary candidates pre-2000?
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by mc32 on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:24AM (#24304524)
Counterintuitively primaries are more democratic now compared to before when backroom dealing often had more sway.

Maybe what's happening now is that early on in primaries enthusiastic voters vote for fresh kids, then as things progress more seasoned voters vote for more established candidates but by then most good established candidates have dropped off and we’re left with the second bests and hangers on.

Kind of a paradox of choice in the political arena.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by CapricornNoble on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:38AM (#24304654)
>>>So China’s so big of an existential threat that you’ll let one of the worst presidents in history have another 4 years to continue screwing the country?

How screwed do you think the entire country will be if the Chinese continue their naval expansion unchecked[1][2], defeat us in a conflict, and de-throne the USD as the primary unit of exchange for energy resources?[3] What do you think happens to the US economy if we can't print the world's reserve currency like Monopoly money anymore?[4] Those are all far bigger, long-term strategic problems than the executive overreach we might experience with a President who's a rude narcissistic strongman....and almost no-one else who has campaigned for President or VP has even paid The CCP Problem lip-service (Biden started barking as if he was anti-China only in mimicry of Trump, arguably).

[1]https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/chinas-blue-water-...

[2]https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/august/decip...

[3]https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-Russia-and-EU-edge-awa...

[4]https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petro...

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by lordnacho on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:29AM (#24304052)
Why have you decided to boycott Chinese products? There's a billion people there, and most of them have nothing to do with the government. They just want to sell toys or computers or whatever it is, in order to be able to eat.

I don't boycott Apple just because the country they are based in (according to the note in the box) has committed some crimes over the years.

And in the US people at least ostensibly have the right to choose their own government, AND there's a culture for large corporations to lobby government directly.

You'll find the same people who want to boycott Chinese products are ironically also quite good at keeping us aware that people in China can't really speak their own minds.

Also, at what level should the boycott happen? Should I just boycott Californian luxury electronics manufacturers? All Californian firms? All US? The world is a tangled web, why is the political map the one whose lines you use?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by Darmody on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:49AM (#24304214)
The nazi Germany had millions of citizens too, just like you and me. People who wanted to live a happy and fulfilling life.

We're not talking about bombing them. We're talking about economic boycott and economic sanctions.

What else do you have in mind? How do we act against countries that commit crimes against humanity? Do we just stand and watch because they have millions of good citizens?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by megous on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:49AM (#24304762)
Economic sanctions should be directed at leaders. I don't see much use in random people boycotting random things from China, having much effect on the leaders.

I guess it may have effect if you tell your favorite seller on Aliexpress, that sorry, I will not be buying anymore stuff from you, because XYZ. But just stopping, means nothing. Sends no discernible signal to the other side, and just increases economic suffering, which while it can lead to revolutions, only probably when it hits some extreme level. Just look at Syria, massive sanctions, people can barely eat, currency is spiraling to hyperinflation, and they still have not toppled the corrupt asshole in charge. And I doubt having to spend half a day just figuring out how to get something to eat helps in any way. In fact corrupt asshole in charge is using the sanctions, to rally his supporters.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/syria-s-assad-say...

And that's the ideal case of a country west doesn't really need anything from and can boycott/sanction at will.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by Darmody on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:25AM (#24305223)
Sanctions against leaders don't work if they don't have their assets in the west. Chinese officials wouldn't give a fuck about it.

And besides that, we're in an economic against them. Actually, they are in an economic war against us. We can't do business in their country freely but they can make their own companies here or buy the ones we already have with the money they are making from manufacturing our stuff. Nope.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by lordnacho on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:01AM (#24304920)
> What else do you have in mind?

Clearly government is involved. When did a government of somewhere last express their displeasure at China's government for this? If they've done it, they must have buried the news. If you don't think a public rebuke will help anything, what do you propose?

If you don't think that it will help, don't do the wrong thing for the right reason. That will only clear your own conscience.

Let's not do things that harm the wrong people. Is not buying a toy from China really going to help anything? You'll put some toy guy out of business, but is he gonna lobby government to stop the prison camps?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by unionpivo on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:37AM (#24304103)
> There's a billion people there, and most of them have nothing to do with the government.

Because that billion people there is the only one who can change the government.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by lordnacho on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:41AM (#24304141)
Are you quite aware of how much blood is spilled when China goes through political turmoil? Aside from the world wars, a huge chunk of the top 10 bloodiest conflicts in history are Chinese internal conflicts.

You're asking people who understand very well that standing up for a new government is going to be extremely costly.

In the meantime, you want to deprive them of work.

Ever wonder how those two things are connected?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by derwiki on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:14AM (#24304423)
Do you have a source for the ten bloodiest conflicts? Not saying you’re wrong just curious. Tiananmen Square and maybe some cultural revolution moments come to mind. But I also haven’t studied much Chinese history, which is why I’m curious.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by logicchains on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:19AM (#24304480)
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by derwiki on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:42AM (#24304692)
Thank you!
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by frequentnapper on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:06AM (#24304357)
Sure, so let them just continue to commit atrocities.
Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by rieter on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:50AM (#24304773)
Why won't 350 million American citizens do something about their own government first, before engaging in moral grandstanding in respect to other countries? No, this doesn't mean just getting rid of Trump - the entire political spectrum is complicit in millions of deaths every decade.

US calls itself a "Democracy", so you're supposed to be more empowered to make a change than an average Chinese citizen.

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by hajile on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:49AM (#24306290)
You're asking a very tricky "what if" question and implying a better result without evidence.

There are only 3 countries with the potential to become superpowers in the modern age -- USA, Russia, and China. Hegemony by one of the three is inevitable.

It is up to YOU to provide proof that Russia or China would be better choices.

President Roosevelt said "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." The US foreign policy has gone very far with that idea. A large military then economic pressure is what led to the collapse of the USSR. The same tactic has kept North Korea, Iran, and other despotic countries at bay for decades.

Today, Trump and Biden both have endorsed a similar approach to China. Build up the military presence around China and pile on economic pressure until they collapse (trying to walk the fine line to avoid war).

Unlike the US, China and Russia/USSR have killed tens to hundreds of millions of their own people. Do you really think there would be fewer deaths if China or Russia were the dominant power? If they're willing to kill their own so casually, they're going to be even more barbaric with foreigners.

I'd ask again, do you have any proof that the alternatives are better?

Re:China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs by frequentnapper on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:28PM (#24310966)
I'm not american.