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Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by ogre_codes on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @12:11PM (#24283850)
If my home fire causes my neighbor's house to burn down and kills his kids, the damage is beyond calculation. If everyone on my block has shitty fire prone houses built to the edge of their property line with no exits, we have a city-wide disaster. This has happened many times all over the country before building codes.

> Instead the government should require you have insurance to pay damages to third parties incase a fire/collapse/flood happens caused by your property.

I don't want any F*ing insurance requirements.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by clairity on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @12:49PM (#24284296)
yup, passing that power on to insurance companies is just a different bureaucracy doing similar things, solving nothing more in the process. all parties together and separately need to be involved and invested in maintaining reasonably safe environments, not just an arms-length bureaucracy.

our failure is in trying to pawn off all responsibility to remote agencies and institutions, raher than the parts best-suited for them (bureaucracies are reasonably good at following rules and doing the same thing over and over), and accepting that we can't each absolve ourselves from some of that responsibility.

we want some best-suited regulation, the minimum needed to achieve reasonable safety, and no less, but also no more. regulation isn't good for every tiny tail risk we can imagine, as we see with the housing crisis (in major cities).

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by maerF0x0 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @01:50PM (#24285104)
> is just a different bureaucracy doing similar things,

A key difference in this bureaucracy is their speed of change. Companies can react rapidly to new technology, new scenarios, and they do so on an economic model.

Gov'ts move slowly and lag technology or current events, they do so on a popularity/political power model.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by anigbrowl on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:00PM (#24285228)
True, but then companies are only accountable to their shareholders in many cases, and spend money on lobbyists to keep things that way. Economic models can vary widely depending on whether they're based around mutuality or extraction of rents.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by maerF0x0 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:43PM (#24285780)
> mutuality or extraction of rents.

bigger governments create more rent opportunities.

https://www.libertarianism.org/blog/introduction-rent-seekin...

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by TeaDrunk on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:05PM (#24285292)
> A key difference in this bureaucracy is their speed of change. Companies can react rapidly to new technology, new scenarios, and they do so on an economic model.

Additionally- companies can react intentionally slowly to squander and choke new technologies and scenarios, also doing so on an economic model.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:27PM (#24285589)
But companies have competitors. If one insurance company requires an unnecessarily burdensome design (or charges unreasonable premiums without it) while another allows a more efficient design which is equally safe, customers will prefer the latter and the former will adapt or lose business.

If the government requires an unnecessarily burdensome design, you're screwed.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by maerF0x0 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:40PM (#24285744)
> squander and choke new technologies and scenarios, also doing so on an economic model.

If they do so then said technologies were not real opportunities. If they're opportunities then competitors will generate more value and/or less cost.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by curiousllama on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @12:56PM (#24284375)
Well said - I love the mix of reasoned historical argument and "get off my lawn!"