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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by gumby on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:58AM (#24279878)
What does 9-11 have to do with any of this?
Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by froh on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:11AM (#24279962)
Until 911 we simply lived by the fact that you could obscure monetary flow using shell companies.

With 911 it became crystal clear that this also obscures monetary flow of deadly criminal actors, deadly at scale and deadly at random targets, 911, Madrid, ...

Wouldn't you think that this would change policies and create a push to more transparency of monetary flow?

Currently the policy values the option of tax evasion at scale higher than the option of controlling in the sense of understanding money flow.

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by simonh on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:01AM (#24280239)
Yes you would, and in fact there's been a lot of work done on this and a lot more work to be done. Switzerland has been pushed into radically revising it's financial privacy laws. The era of secret numbered Swiss bank accounts is pretty much over. Many banks have fallen foul of anti-money laundering regulations and fined billions of dollars. It's not great that they violated the rules, but the fact they have been held to account is huge progress.

Nobody can snap their fingers and change how every country in the globe regulates their businesses though. The basic principle of companies owning other companies is too fundamental to abolish, and if you can create one link then you can make chains and these can be complex. There are no magic wands to solve this, so it's going to take perseverance and hard work, and continuing pressure on politicians.

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by throw0101a on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:48AM (#24281202)
> Switzerland has been pushed into radically revising it's financial privacy laws. The era of secret numbered Swiss bank accounts is pretty much over.

Making the US the largest tax haven in the world.

* https://fsi.taxjustice.net/en/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Secrecy_Index

Seems that South Dakota is very popular for it:

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-amer...

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by bhaak on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @05:26AM (#24280705)
> secret numbered Swiss bank accounts

BTW, that's quite a myth. There were never bank accounts where the banks didn't know who the client was. But not everybody at the banks had access to the info what account belonged to which person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered_bank_account

Of course if you as a foreign country could get info about your own citizens having bank accounts is a different question (and that has luckily changed in recent years).

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by luckylion on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:37AM (#24280429)
The money flows to the terrorists wasn't through complicated shell companies though, was it? Iirc, they were using the Hawala system of informal banking that relies on family/tribal relationships to quickly transfer funds without leaving traces anywhere Western authorities might see them.
Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by dewey on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:11AM (#24279961)
Patriot act and other laws / budgets put into place to keep taps on how money flows and dealings like that.
Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by gumby on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:13AM (#24280286)
None of the participants in this story was American.
Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by dewey on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:20AM (#24280331)
> and other laws

Most of the intelligence and terrorism laws that were set in place specifically target non-americans and international surveillance so I don't really get your point.

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by gumby on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:50AM (#24281211)
I’m confused: a random boat shows up in a random port and some sort of supernatural “no sparrow fall” system is going to magically decide that somehow it’s of interest? The dots can’t even be connected backwards.

There is literally no participant in the article who has any connection to the United States, not even the city involved. It’s likely given the dramatis personae that none of them may ever have set foot in the US in their lives. Yet somehow this is a matter of US law???

And how again is this somehow connected with some incident on the other side of the planet 20 years ago?

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by dewey on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @07:24AM (#24281398)
There was a big shift in the intelligence community after 9/11 that is well documented and also reaches in all kinds of other areas (banking, travel records).

If you only think the intelligence apparatus of the US only watches within the border of the country that's a bit naive. Especially after what we know about the Snowden leaks (International submarine cables tapped, dragnet like collection of communications in all countries,...). The fact that there's no Americans involved is irrelevant to the question in this case.

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by jojobas on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:12AM (#24279966)
The fact that a ship full of AN could be in Hudson River and nobody would have a clue.
Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by 131012 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:28AM (#24282773)
Whether or not you agree with american policies, lebanese government is MUCH MORE inept. They get bombarded and don't even react.