I don’t know about you, but I don’t generally enjoy fucking someone over. Let alone an entire society...

You are nerding out, I get it. But sometimes you gotta take off the “nerding out” hat before sharing an idea :)

> no society that underemploys some large fraction of its populace will effectively compete against an equivalent one with efficient workplace participation.

But this is not necessarily a good thing. Labor participation of an enslaved group is surely higher and they work more hours per day...

Nor is it clear that other ethical practices outgrow societies that don't practice those ethics, e.g. China (and many other examples) and democracy.

Nor would you want to entrench a non-ethical viewpoint when it comes to nuclear warfare ( first strike / nonproliferation) / climate change.

The word 'efficient' is intended to be significant in the quoted sentence. Efficient labour participation is different. It means that a guy who can become a lawyer performs law. It means that a guy who can operate as a bricklayer lays bricks. And it means that a guy whose peak is unskilled labour is only going to perform unskilled labour. If you put your lawyers into ditch digging and your bricklayers into coffee delivery you can get 100% labour participation without efficient workplace participation.

This is commonly the flaw with Arab nations' use of their workforce of women. They are all working a lot of the time. It's just a huge waste of what they're capable of.

Slavery is similar. You just flatten everyone into unskilled labour. You lose. People will better fall on to the curve where they can participate the best in a free society than a slave society.

I'm disturbed by your casual suggestion that we weaponize reverse psychology at a global scale.

It's a reductio ad absurdum argument.

Beat them at what though?

Another way to spin this thought that sounds less "evil" is that you can guilt trip people over good behaviors in order to entrench the good behavior.

This sounds likely to fuck people up in the head and also to hurt your relationship, so I wouldn't do it myself but it is interesting to think about. The ends don't justify the means.

> Wait, this is great.

Slave labor can be more "effective" than workers with rights.

Debt is much more effective than slavery. Unless misery is your goal, you can do a much better job at extracting value from people and keep a population working for your benefit with debt. It has a way of making both sides feel like what is happening is “right” while having the same effects.

I guess we'll see. The test is in front of us. There are nations using indentured servitude and de-facto slavery and there's the Free World. If the other guys are better at it, let's see them beat us.

I'd rather humanity survive through slavery than be extinct through freedom, but I don't think I need to make that choice since I think free people self-organize into more resilient societies so long as they do not assume too much load of taking care of the non-adapted.

I find it informative that you want to fuck "him" over with intentional planning for the continued oppression of women.

Not a native speaker. Pronoun use was intended to represent neuter/indeterminate gender. Would alter to 'them' if this interpretation had high priors. Unfortunately this forum software does not permit edits past some short duration.

So was your point not that you could "fuck over" Arab men by oppressing Arab women?

The point was that in a geopolitical sense, we can make Arab states weaker by encouraging their oppression of their citizens by telling them it's bad to oppress their citizens.

If the manner of their oppression is ethnic, then encourage that. If it's gender-based, then encourage that.

So it was a racist and sexist point, aiming to use the misery of other people to enrich yourself (or, just for fun).

Surely telling someone not to oppress women and not to oppress an ethnicity can't be racist or sexist.

If your stated intent is to take advantage of systemic sexism and racism, then yes, you're most clearly being sexist and racist.

Getting people to entrench themselves into camps and beliefs seems to be a main affect of social media these days.