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Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by powdahound on Friday April 08, 2011 @02:45PM (#2425108)
Shirts are also great PR, prize rewards, and 'thank you' gifts for users who run into nasty bugs. We've had a lot of success and fun with our HipChat shirts. Our tips for others:

    1. Buy high-quality shirts (American Apparel)
    2. Buy small and women's sizes
    3. Show some attitude, not company boilerplate
    4. Buy from a local shop
    5. Have a few different designs - people love having a choice
    6. Make sure the shop saves the screens (cheaper to re-order in the future)
    7. Quadruple check the spelling and capitalization :)
Full post: http://blog.hipchat.com/2010/08/19/7-tips-for-making-company...
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by ben1040 on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:14PM (#2425419)
Great advice.

When I get free t-shirts from work or conferences, they're pretty much reserved for being something to wear when I'm painting or mowing the lawn. One such shirt never even made it out of the office; it's still been neatly folded up at the bottom of a desk drawer since the day they gave it to me a few months ago.

But this is because I have yet to receive a company or conference t-shirt that either properly fits me or has a tasteful or clever design I'd want to be seen wearing in public. If you print two dozen sponsor logos on the back of a free conference t-shirt, I'll probably toss the shirt and wish you spent the t-shirt budget on better booze at the afterparty.

I know I'm not averse to t-shirts in general, since my wife will take any opportunity to give me trouble about how many shirts I've bought from Woot and Threadless...

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by kariatx on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:52PM (#2425350)
Agreed, and thanks for bringing up women's sizes. I wish tech companies (and especially tech conferences I PAY for) would realize that men's shirts are not unisex. They're for men. Whenever a women's option isn't available, it definitely feels unwelcoming.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by jrockway on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:40PM (#2425519)
Depends on your taste, I guess. I know a lot of women and men that wear the same model of unisex shirts.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by elptacek on Friday April 08, 2011 @09:05PM (#2426173)
Unisex cuts of t shirts do not look good on women. Women may wear them, but they are not flattering. Turns out that American Apparel has a girly cut shirt with shorter sleeves that is more fitted through the trunk.

And I add:

8. Pony up for a not-white shirt.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by kariatx on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:53PM (#2425565)
Fair enough, but even a men's small is too big for me - so it's not even really an option to wear it. Considering I'm a very standard size for a woman, it's hard to feel like the people behind the shirts are considering my gender. Taste is a secondary concern here.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by randallsquared on Friday April 08, 2011 @02:51PM (#2425129)
2. Buy small and women's sizes

This one puzzles me a lot. The place I work recently ordered a bunch of shirts for everyone who wanted one in the dev team. The sizes went up to XL, and their "XL" was the same size as an "M" in some stores. Fully half the devs in our shop couldn't fit into the largest size offered.

Here's a tip, as someone who likes wearing t-shirts: buy larger sizes. Someone who can wear an "M" can just as easily wear an "L" or "XL", but the reverse is very much not true.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by Locke1689 on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:22PM (#2425252)
To be honest, as a smaller man (5'9") who prides himself on having a little style, the difference between giving me an 'L' and giving me an 'M' is not wearing it but feeling a little more comfortable, it's the difference between wearing it and not wearing it. I refuse to look that unattractive on purpose.

Also, if your T-shirt looks good and is really well designed (high quality, maybe fitted, good graphic design and color work) I might actually wear it other places, even though I don't usually wear T-shirts.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by chopsueyar on Saturday April 09, 2011 @09:16AM (#2427087)
Agreed. I am 5'6", and small shirts fit me well. Wearing a medium or a large, I look like a moron in a smock.

So unless you want me to cut up your shirt and turn them into schmattas, give me a small and I will wear it on my body.

Otherwise, donate it to Goodwill.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lotusleaf1987 on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:19PM (#2425437)
Shrinking a shirt is easy, you throw it in the dryer. You can't make a shirt bigger though. That's all I think the OP is saying.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by jrockway on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:39PM (#2425511)
If you're buying high-quality shirts, they don't shrink in the dryer.

I pretty much only wear American Apparel t-shirts, and they don't shrink. I doubt printing your logo on it is going to change that :)

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lotusleaf1987 on Friday April 08, 2011 @06:51PM (#2425895)
I am about 6ft 4 so I never dry anything but socks or towels because even when I dry something (like boxers or plain white tee) on low or medium heat I notice shrinkage. And as to high quality, I've had Gitman Bros. shirts shrink in the dryer over time because that's just what happens.

Cotton does shrink in the dryer. Yes, higher quality dryers cause this less, but they all cause shrinking to some degree.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by Locke1689 on Friday April 08, 2011 @08:13PM (#2426077)
Of course it shrinks. I'm a medium size after the shirt has been shrunk. If I were a large after it has been shrunk I would have said that's my size.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by Dramatize on Friday April 08, 2011 @06:14PM (#2425809)
There's no way I'd wear a shirt that's too big.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lotusleaf1987 on Friday April 08, 2011 @06:46PM (#2425882)
It won't be too big if you shrink it... which was my point...
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lotusleaf1987 on Saturday April 09, 2011 @11:13AM (#2427274)
I'm loving that I got downvoted for stating something as obvious as cotton clothing shrinks when dried in a dryer. This is why HN is getting worse, a bunch of random fuckwad trolls who downvote people for no reason.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by Dramatize on Saturday April 09, 2011 @06:17PM (#2428227)
1. If your t-shirt is going to shrink from a large to a small the first time you wash it - you've got a poor quality tee.

2. If you've got a poor quality tee that doesn't fit, why would I wear it?

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lotusleaf1987 on Sunday April 10, 2011 @12:14AM (#2428756)
1. non-sequitor based on false assumption

2. see above

I never said it would take one wash, it could take 5. I'm just saying giving out a shirt that's larger makes more sense than one that is too small, seeing as how clothing only shrinks once you own it.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by elptacek on Friday April 08, 2011 @09:07PM (#2426181)
Cotton shrinks. Ink does not. Shrink a shirt with ink on it, you'll have a puckered mess.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by imp on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:06PM (#2425182)
> Someone who can wear an "M" can just as easily wear an "L" or "XL", but the reverse is very much not true.

It's that thinking that leads to skinny people (like me) having a lot of large t-shirts that they don't fit into. Just because it can physically go over your body doesn't mean that it "fits."

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by derekdahmer on Friday April 08, 2011 @07:33PM (#2426003)
Agreed, there are always way too many M's, never enough S. Offering a one-size-too-big shirt is a great way to get someone to take the shirt but never wear it because it looks sloppy.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by Fargren on Saturday April 09, 2011 @11:45AM (#2427343)
I have the same issue, but some of those huge T-Shirts can be really comfortable during a hot summer day, if the cloth is thin enough.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by adatta02 on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:10PM (#2425202)
As another data point, I'm a pretty small guy (5'8" and about 150 lbs) and I can't stand wearing L shirts - I feel like I'm wearing a dress. Given the choice, I'd much rather a S than a L.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by adamcw on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:23PM (#2425255)
Gotta concur with this. Just because you can drape something over yourself, that's still not the same as having it fit.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lsc on Friday April 08, 2011 @05:24PM (#2425668)
A short friend of mine complains that even the small American Apparel shirts end up looking like dresses on him. "It feels like I'm wearing a mini-skirt" he says.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by jasonkester on Friday April 08, 2011 @06:42PM (#2425873)
He didn't say only buy small shirts. But not everybody is fat and male, so you need to have some. And by the way, it's not 1993 anymore. T-Shirts should fit.

This goes double if you're going to a convention. Give a petite girl a men's large and chances are it will never make it over her head once. Be the only booth at the show that gives out fitted women's gear, though, and suddenly you'll find them on every girl in the place.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by solid on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:19PM (#2425237)
>Someone who can wear an "M" can just as easily wear an "L" or "XL"

Sure it is physically impossible, but that person will end up looking like a slob. Fit is the most important factor in style, so if you're going to "brand" your employees at least do not force them to swim in the clothing you give them!

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by bethling on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:09PM (#2425195)
Might be true for guys, but if you give me an L or and XL, I might use it to sleep in, but the chances that I'll wear it out in public are essentially zero.

When I see at least some smaller sizes (and I'm not a petite woman), I feel like at they least they were thinking of people like me.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by rdouble on Friday April 08, 2011 @05:16PM (#2425644)
Programmers come in two main sizes: too skinny, and too fat. If your engineering team is mainly "seasoned pros" you want to avoid american apparel altogether. If it's fresh grads you have a few years worth of size medium before 14 hour days and free soda catches up with everyone.

It's different if you are buying shirts as schwag. I once worked for a startup where the t-shirts were more popular than the product and the most important sizes were mens and womens size medium.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by swaits on Friday April 08, 2011 @06:21PM (#2425828)
BS. Programmers come in all sizes.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by jpr on Saturday April 09, 2011 @06:59AM (#2426951)
Yep. Some are in transition from "too skinny" to "too fat".
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by KaeseEs on Friday April 08, 2011 @09:44PM (#2426253)
There is some data to back up this fattening-over-time thesis: http://imgur.com/OjWoz
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by billybob on Saturday April 09, 2011 @07:25AM (#2426971)
There are way too many variables for that to imply "programmers get fatter over time."

1) Maybe t-shirts sizes themselves are not the same between 1999 and 2008 2) Maybe the average age of the attender has not changed, so there's really no age component 3) Maybe a different demographic is now attending the conference 4) Maybe all Americans are fatter on average and programmers are just part of that trend

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by nopassrecover on Saturday April 09, 2011 @04:53AM (#2426805)
Interesting data point, but it doesn't support the thesis that programmers get fatter the more they've programmed unless you can show the attendees at the Linux symposium are older/more experienced now than in the past.

You'd probably also want some external data as I'm pretty sure people as a whole are getting fatter.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by rocktronica on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:03PM (#2425169)
Valid point, but _fit into_ and _wear_ are different things. Most skinny people don't like swimming in their clothes.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by zach on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:09PM (#2425197)
Right, and that's what the topmost poster meant by "buy small and women sizes" -- if you really care, you won't have to say "we don't have anything smaller than a large."

People used to hearing that line really appreciate when you go the extra mile:

http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/1...

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by TillE on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:05PM (#2425394)
That Webstock t-shirt is pretty nice. I think you could take it a step further and make a stylish / designer / funky t-shirt that a reasonably large subset of people will actually want to wear. Not just a blatant ad for your company.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by Splines on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:58PM (#2425372)
Our awesome admin has a spreadsheet with all our sizes in them, so our t-shirts always fit :) (barring production variations in size, I suppose).
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by farout on Friday April 08, 2011 @05:55PM (#2425753)
excellent idea however this too has a way of failing.

T-shirts are listed not by inches or cms, which would tell you exactly what you getting.

hence the recent posts of different definitions for different sizes by different mfg. If they listed the actually sizes like they do with most suits. Then you have a reasonable chance of a good fit.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by mryall on Friday April 08, 2011 @06:35PM (#2425858)
My company tends to get t-shirts from the same supplier most of the time. So keeping a size on record for everyone would be a great idea for us.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lsc on Friday April 08, 2011 @05:22PM (#2425662)
the thing of it is, most places charge you one setup fee... you don't have to pay extra for getting more sizes, so there is no reason not to get the XXXL and the XS. I know developers come in both sizes, and as so many other people in this thread have said, people, generally speaking, have a preferred T shirt fit, and if the T shirt doesn't fit that way, they won't wear it.

If you are buying for employees, it's easy enough to ask employees what their preferred sizes are. We all have a few tradeshow T-shirts at home, so we know how the various sizes of various brands fit us.

Buy some extra; some people will want two, if you have leftovers, mix them in with the next iteration, or leave them on the 'free' shelf in the break room, you know, for when your employees feel like upgrading out of their old copy that has developed holes.

If you are buying for the general public, well, you plan to run out, right? it doesn't really matter if you run out of the big sizes before the little sizes. keep track of what runs out of last and adjust accordingly next time.

If you end up taking home leftovers, mix them in with the next batch of shirts you give away.

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by cpeterso on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:52PM (#2425562)
Plus, American Apparel t-shirts (recommended in the article) are notoriously undersized. An American Apparel "large" is more like a snug "medium".

But they are high-quality shirts (even if Dov Charney is a lecher).

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by jarek on Friday April 08, 2011 @05:06PM (#2425603)
Only in the U.S. is an AA large a snug medium.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by nopassrecover on Saturday April 09, 2011 @04:57AM (#2426812)
Yeah this has always puzzled me. Everytime I order an AA t-shirt (I live in Australia) I get warned to order a size up because they trend slim. After getting bit once or twice by this, I just order my regular size or even one smaller now and have no issue.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by kemayo on Friday April 08, 2011 @05:51PM (#2425740)
That's especially a problem if you follow the "buy American Apparel" tip. Their women's sizing is miniscule; my wife tends to wear medium-to-large shirts in other brands, but has to go up to their XXL before they'll fit her.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by dwc on Saturday April 09, 2011 @10:49AM (#2427236)
Why not buy sizes in some proportion to the sizes of actual employees? There's really no other answer unless the company has grown to the point where the size curve approaches a normal distribution. If you plotted sizes where I work now it would look nothing like a normal distribution (our plot would be a lot flatter).
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by nitrogen on Saturday April 09, 2011 @06:15AM (#2426903)
Some people (myself included) look awful in anything bigger than an M. Clothes are about more than just covering one's skin, and conferences and businesses are about more than just one body type. They should buy all sizes, and they should make sure all the sizes look good.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by jonknee on Friday April 08, 2011 @03:51PM (#2425349)
I immediately throw away any free shirt that is L or larger. I think the best thing would be to order multiple sizes.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lotusleaf1987 on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:21PM (#2425448)
Why not donate or give it away?
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by cpeterso on Friday April 08, 2011 @04:46PM (#2425542)
The PBS TV series "Independent Lens" had an episode ("T-Shirt Travels") about groups in Africa that import American thrift store t-shirts by the bushel and resell them. Very interesting (and economical).

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/tshirttravels/film.html

Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by lotusleaf1987 on Friday April 08, 2011 @08:07PM (#2426068)
I don't get it, are you saying become some groups might misuse the clothes donated to the Salvation Army or Goodwill I should never donate my clothes and that I should just throw them away? I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. Donating clothes to thrift stores helps people everyday if you don't believe me just go hang out at one in Chicago during January or Minnesota, people would literally die in these places without thrift stores.
Re:Why T-shirts matter at tech companies by cpeterso on Friday April 08, 2011 @08:41PM (#2426128)
Sorry for not being clear. <:)

I agree that people should donate clothes they no longer need or want. I was referencing the documentary about Africa as an example of just how far the benefit of donated clothes can reach.