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Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by commoner on Sunday August 23, 2020 @03:50AM (#24250331)
Facebook has repeatedly overridden fact-checker evaluations in its two biggest markets, India and the United States.

Facebook India:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-hate-speech-india-poli...

Facebook in the United States:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/sensitive-claims-bias...

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by searchableguy on Sunday August 23, 2020 @09:01AM (#24251602)
I tried facebook today. It's garbage.

I only found ads, prostitution services, pages of kids that seemed inappropriate, rumours, fake news, x minute craft videos with medical misinformation, make up videos with toxic products, etc on my 15 minutes of usage.

Live streams of people similar to this: https://ibb.co/0yBqf1n

Facebook groups are full of living ads. Most pages recommended didn't have any activity this year.

Everything is turned on by default on the privacy settings page. It includes facial recognition, content analysis, phone number, birthday information, and whatever you shared on sign up (everything). That data is available for everyone else too by default and there is no way to make a profile completely private or hidden.

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by maneesh on Sunday August 23, 2020 @09:32AM (#24251799)
You do know that ... fb ads are served based on off site web history and cross domain activity right?

Because this reminds me of a comment I read by someone saying that Instagram only showed photos of scantily clad women, followed by noticing his account mostly followed scantily clad women

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by searchableguy on Sunday August 23, 2020 @09:34AM (#24251818)
Those weren't ads. I separated them from the rest in my original post. I used a freshly wiped device with vpn.

All those things are against their policy and some of it is illegal so it shouldn't be on it with thousands of likes.

> fb ads are served based on off site web history and cross domain activity right

Good point. There should be more regulation on this.

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by junius_mmxx on Sunday August 23, 2020 @12:30PM (#24253036)
It's probably related to the fact you were using a VPN. I.e., most people would use a vpn when looking for prostitutes and all the other unsavoury things you saw in your facebook ads.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by klyrs on Sunday August 23, 2020 @01:01PM (#24253290)
For a while I was getting tons of ads for asian mail-order brides and porn featuring almost exclusively asian women. Nothing that I was interested in; I kept my browser pretty clean so I figured it was just background noise. Never considered that I was sharing wifi with my neighbors -- a white third generation canadian and a first generation chinese canadian. When they moved out and I got my own account with the same internet provider, those ads went away and I learned a lot more than I ever wanted to know about that guy
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by ipnon on Sunday August 23, 2020 @05:02PM (#24255270)
This is really an attack vector. Share wifi with them (let's assume this is easy with social engineering) sign up for fresh facebook and google accounts, look for any unsavory advertisements, blackmail.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by throw_away on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:58PM (#24256345)
Or the reverse: a prank app where you connect to the target's wifi & then it goes around browsing unsavory parts of the web and clicking on a bunch of tasteless ads so as to poison what ads are shown to the victim.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by junius_mmxx on Sunday August 23, 2020 @11:40PM (#24257357)
you can do this with google search autocomplete, and it's especially effective on corporate WiFi at revealing co-workers search interests

"Why is my..." "when do we..." "how to ask..." "How do I..." "how to tell if i got" "divorce attorneys <city>"

While this post may seem unsubstantial at best, my point is to never search for anything personal while connected to a shared wifi network - even if you're doing it from the privacy of your own device.

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by jpxw on Sunday August 23, 2020 @05:27AM (#24250727)
Can you name one specific example of a conservative media outlet spreading a demonstrably false story and not being penalised?
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by hatenberg on Sunday August 23, 2020 @06:52AM (#24251024)
Breitbart. Plandemic. It was removed but no penalties were leveraged.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook...

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by mgraczyk on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:49PM (#24254261)
This (no penalties) is false. Reread your linked article to learn more. Also

https://www.facebook.com/facebookmedia/blog/working-to-stop-...

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by jpxw on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:50AM (#24251242)
Removal of the advert seems to be a penalty to me.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by hatenberg on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:52AM (#24251249)
Read the article. (Which by the way isn't about ads either)
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Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by oblio on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:44AM (#24251217)
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86487

Also:

> Willis: Is it safe to say that anything that cannot be patented has been shut down intentionally because there's no way to profit from it, all these natural remedies that we have had forever?

> Mikovits: Absolutely, that's fair to say.

While obviously there are abuses from time to time (if you want a good example, check out the history of leaded gasoline :-| ), what she's saying is absolutely crazy. You're not going to cure cancer with "natural remedies". You're not going to cure Alzheimers with "natural remedies". That alone is enough to discredit the source.

You don't even need to go too deep into character assassination, it's blatant that she's an untrustworthy source if you actually do some research, instead of going on gut feelings.

I can't believe I'm having this discussion on HN...

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by skindoe on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:36AM (#24251454)
So attributing views to her that she did not claim does not count either...

It does not sound like she made a claim regarding the efficacy of natural remedies rather questioning the default labeling of non profitable treatments as pseudoscientific junk.

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by oblio on Sunday August 23, 2020 @09:21AM (#24251726)
She literally replied "absolutely". The whole documentary is made in bad faith. She's supposed to be a scientist, what kind of an answer is that? The only benefit of the doubt I can give her is that she's being quoted out of context.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by zaroth on Sunday August 23, 2020 @01:06PM (#24253330)
It’s a poor form of argumentation to find a technically “absolute” statement someone makes and entirely invalidate the argument because nothing in this world is absolutely true.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by oblio on Sunday August 23, 2020 @01:34PM (#24253608)
I'd argue about this but I think it's better if you watch the video I linked 2 comments up.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by Nextgrid on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:26AM (#24251149)
Are there any credible and peer-reviewed facts about it being a “plandemic”?
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by BrianOnHN on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:37AM (#24251183)
Of course not, that's why they resort to subversive name-calling, ie. "plandemic"
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by skindoe on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:39AM (#24251196)
If you define credible as being information coming from or being adjacent too the CDC/WHO/NIH opinion as many platforms are using as the defacto standard despite an extremely questionable history (understatement) of truthfulness (They praised Chinas openness to sharing information at the start of the virus...) then of course not.

Did you actually watch the video?

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by Nextgrid on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:16AM (#24251342)
I don’t know which video you’re referring to, there are endless amount of conspiracy theory videos with their own “facts” but I only have limited time. I also understand my limitations and I think there are people much smarter than me and more experienced in this domain and if they don’t think it’s a “plandemic” then there’s no amount of effort from my part that would prove otherwise.

As a rational person with a fair understanding of how business, markets and law work, I find it hard to believe that any party would intentionally create, or release the coronavirus for financial or political gain when there are other, easier and less damaging ways to achieve the same goal. The pandemic has ripple effects on pretty much every domain in the market and any short-term gain (let’s say for pharma or PPE) companies would be wiped out by the negative consequences (imagine you were a company producing PPE among other things, your PPE profits would explode but then your “other things” profits would collapse for several years while the expenses of the production line for those other things would still pile up).

When it comes to the idea that it was an act of war from China, they too were affected very badly to a point where I don’t believe it was a worthwhile tradeoff, thus discounting this possibility.

There have indeed been mistakes committed during the response to the pandemic including by the WHO (especially around their advice with regards to face masks), however I believe these were due to incompetence rather than any malicious intent.

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by skindoe on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:37AM (#24251456)
Umm the one literally called plandemic that this entire thread is talking about...
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by BrianOnHN on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:44AM (#24251215)
"They" was just WHO. And you can't discuss this without mentioning the manipulation of coronavirus data here in the states.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by fareesh on Sunday August 23, 2020 @10:43AM (#24252283)
If I were a Facebook employee with typical bay area California politics I'd just selectively apply my bias and be over zealous with the fact checking when I find something is being shared amongst folks who are being swayed to the Republican side

As long as I get to decide this, I can ensure that my bias controls the narrative to whatever extent I can

Recently I saw a story alleging mailboxes were being taken away in a conspiracy to manipulate the election. All the facts are true but they can be assembled to fit this kind of conspiratorial narrative, which is weak because tend of thousands of mailboxes are moved all the time.

You could rate this "unproven" if you were being consistent but it doesn't help Democrats so why would you?

As long as people are in charge of these things it's never going to be fair and they'll always have the power to influence swing voters.