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Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by hatenberg on Sunday August 23, 2020 @06:52AM (#24251024)
Breitbart. Plandemic. It was removed but no penalties were leveraged.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook...

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by mgraczyk on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:49PM (#24254261)
This (no penalties) is false. Reread your linked article to learn more. Also

https://www.facebook.com/facebookmedia/blog/working-to-stop-...

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by jpxw on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:50AM (#24251242)
Removal of the advert seems to be a penalty to me.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by hatenberg on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:52AM (#24251249)
Read the article. (Which by the way isn't about ads either)
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Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by oblio on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:44AM (#24251217)
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86487

Also:

> Willis: Is it safe to say that anything that cannot be patented has been shut down intentionally because there's no way to profit from it, all these natural remedies that we have had forever?

> Mikovits: Absolutely, that's fair to say.

While obviously there are abuses from time to time (if you want a good example, check out the history of leaded gasoline :-| ), what she's saying is absolutely crazy. You're not going to cure cancer with "natural remedies". You're not going to cure Alzheimers with "natural remedies". That alone is enough to discredit the source.

You don't even need to go too deep into character assassination, it's blatant that she's an untrustworthy source if you actually do some research, instead of going on gut feelings.

I can't believe I'm having this discussion on HN...

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by skindoe on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:36AM (#24251454)
So attributing views to her that she did not claim does not count either...

It does not sound like she made a claim regarding the efficacy of natural remedies rather questioning the default labeling of non profitable treatments as pseudoscientific junk.

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by oblio on Sunday August 23, 2020 @09:21AM (#24251726)
She literally replied "absolutely". The whole documentary is made in bad faith. She's supposed to be a scientist, what kind of an answer is that? The only benefit of the doubt I can give her is that she's being quoted out of context.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by zaroth on Sunday August 23, 2020 @01:06PM (#24253330)
It’s a poor form of argumentation to find a technically “absolute” statement someone makes and entirely invalidate the argument because nothing in this world is absolutely true.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by oblio on Sunday August 23, 2020 @01:34PM (#24253608)
I'd argue about this but I think it's better if you watch the video I linked 2 comments up.
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by Nextgrid on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:26AM (#24251149)
Are there any credible and peer-reviewed facts about it being a “plandemic”?
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by BrianOnHN on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:37AM (#24251183)
Of course not, that's why they resort to subversive name-calling, ie. "plandemic"
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by skindoe on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:39AM (#24251196)
If you define credible as being information coming from or being adjacent too the CDC/WHO/NIH opinion as many platforms are using as the defacto standard despite an extremely questionable history (understatement) of truthfulness (They praised Chinas openness to sharing information at the start of the virus...) then of course not.

Did you actually watch the video?

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by Nextgrid on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:16AM (#24251342)
I don’t know which video you’re referring to, there are endless amount of conspiracy theory videos with their own “facts” but I only have limited time. I also understand my limitations and I think there are people much smarter than me and more experienced in this domain and if they don’t think it’s a “plandemic” then there’s no amount of effort from my part that would prove otherwise.

As a rational person with a fair understanding of how business, markets and law work, I find it hard to believe that any party would intentionally create, or release the coronavirus for financial or political gain when there are other, easier and less damaging ways to achieve the same goal. The pandemic has ripple effects on pretty much every domain in the market and any short-term gain (let’s say for pharma or PPE) companies would be wiped out by the negative consequences (imagine you were a company producing PPE among other things, your PPE profits would explode but then your “other things” profits would collapse for several years while the expenses of the production line for those other things would still pile up).

When it comes to the idea that it was an act of war from China, they too were affected very badly to a point where I don’t believe it was a worthwhile tradeoff, thus discounting this possibility.

There have indeed been mistakes committed during the response to the pandemic including by the WHO (especially around their advice with regards to face masks), however I believe these were due to incompetence rather than any malicious intent.

Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by skindoe on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:37AM (#24251456)
Umm the one literally called plandemic that this entire thread is talking about...
Re:Facebook is pressuring its independent fact-checkers to c... by BrianOnHN on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:44AM (#24251215)
"They" was just WHO. And you can't discuss this without mentioning the manipulation of coronavirus data here in the states.