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Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by notahacker on Saturday August 22, 2020 @05:03PM (#24247244)
> The momentum lately to paint all involuntarily celibate people as mentally unstable and angry

The momentum is driven largely by the 'incel' online movement, and the large proportion of the world's population that isn't sexually or romantically active in the way they'd like to be but isn't interested in their nonsense can happily not associate with that movement and not be associated with that movement. The only way you start getting pigeonholed as angry is if you start imagining a 'pro-sex movement' that inexplicably hates you... (I'm not even sure what the 'pro-sex movement' is. Evolutionary biology? The traditional family? The 1960s? The current emphasis on genderfluidity and consent? none of those seem particularly hostile to the idea that people might be involuntarily celibate.)

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by skissane on Saturday August 22, 2020 @06:09PM (#24247670)
The word "incel" was coined by a woman named Alana, from Canada, back in the 1990s [1]. She originally intended the term as denoting help and support for the romantically unsuccessful of all genders and sexual orientations. It was only later, after she'd stepped away from the movement (her lack of romantic success turned out to be a passing phase in life, as is the experience of very many), that it morphed into a cesspool of toxic misogyny.

But I think that change in definition has been harmful to those covered by the original definition, who are now denied the possibility of a positive identity and supportive community that Alana's original vision offered them. Indeed, any attempts today to found such an identity or community, especially one which is inclusive of heterosexual men, are going to be very quickly tarred by association with the new definition of "incel".

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-45284455 but also I remember some of this: I was never actively involved in Alana's website, but I can definitely remember stumbling across it in the 1990s

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by DangitBobby on Saturday August 22, 2020 @05:49PM (#24247545)
If you wanted a support group now as an involuntarily celibate person, what would you do?
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by philwelch on Saturday August 22, 2020 @08:40PM (#24248531)
IMO, just go sort yourself out and find a "support group" focused on whatever axis of self-improvement you're interested in. If you're involuntarily celibate because you're too fat or too scrawny to be physically attractive, get that problem sorted out and get into a community of people focused on bettering themselves in that way. If you're involuntarily celibate because you're unemployed or don't make much money, go develop some marketable skills and get into a community of people focused on developing those skills. If you're involuntarily celibate because you have terrible social skills, maybe try group therapy?
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by at_a_remove on Saturday August 22, 2020 @11:00PM (#24249183)
Almost any form of advice which begins with "just" is usually trying to wave away real problems. Go on, try it. Instead of "build a rocketship to go to the moon," do "Just build a rocketship to go to the moon." Sounds a lot easier that way, doesn't it?

But all of the self-improvement stuff doesn't help if you, say, have Goldenhar Syndrome, or a major handicap, or perhaps you have some very unfortunate facial features, or you have to care for an elderly parent, or any number of things.

It isn't always as simple as "people who haven't been trying hard enough."

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by notahacker on Saturday August 22, 2020 @06:19PM (#24247723)
Probably call it 'singles club'...
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by guskel on Saturday August 22, 2020 @07:01PM (#24247977)
But surely being single is different than lifelong singleness and lack of intimacy. In fact many singles continue to date and have sex.
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by notahacker on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:04AM (#24251075)
> In fact many singles continue to date and have sex.

Sounds like the sort of people that those who are worried about their lifelong lack of intimacy should be meeting!

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by DangitBobby on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:01PM (#24253833)
They were doing that!