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Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by user_501238901 on Saturday August 22, 2020 @04:35PM (#24247070)
There are still hunter-gatherer populations of humans who have the same lifestyle as they did 10 thousand years ago. Wouldn't studying their skulls settle this debate?
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by AlotOfReading on Saturday August 22, 2020 @05:50PM (#24247552)
Modern hunter-gatherers are generally not considered representative of our ancient ancestors. I can go into more detail if anyone's curious, but the short version is that they've had just as long to "evolve" as we have and the extant groups are those that were able to live in very marginal environments where no one else could, among other things.

Of course there's debate both ways and lots of people trying to tease out the parts that are representative, but it's unsettled enough that I recommend just thinking of them as wholly unrepresentative.

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by monadic2 on Saturday August 22, 2020 @05:54PM (#24247574)
I'd take some reading recommendations if you have any.
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by AlotOfReading on Saturday August 22, 2020 @06:13PM (#24247694)
The best that I'm aware of is Kelly's Lifeways of Hunter-Gatherers. It's a direct attack on this particular myth with lots of examples, literature surveys, and everything else you'd expect. However it's targeted at archaeologists and other social-science types and may be difficult reading without that background. I don't know of any lay-person accessible materials on this.

[1] https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9781139176132

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by monadic2 on Saturday August 22, 2020 @11:13PM (#24249233)
This is perfect, thanks!
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by ip26 on Sunday August 23, 2020 @12:32AM (#24249539)
Whether or not they are representative, I thought they generally have been observed to have perfect teeth?

(Except for the ones foraging a lot of honey)

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by AlotOfReading on Sunday August 23, 2020 @01:53AM (#24249877)
A lot of foragers feast extensively on honey and other wild sugars. The Hadza mentioned in a sister comment are one such group and the males have a higher proportion of tooth decay than the females (with little access to honey). Additionally, some groups like the Mbuti practice dental modification that can severely impact tooth health, particularly in older people.

What I wasn't sure about was (A) whether craniofacial morphology changes with diet/economic mode and (B) whether that transition is also associated with disorders. I'm not remotely qualified to evaluate the latter, but the former is apparently true. A quick spin through Google pulled up a bunch of well-known papers I've encountered before that pointed it out. Must have just forgotten that detail.

[1] https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quaint.2006.01.004

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by nomoreservices on Sunday August 23, 2020 @12:38AM (#24249555)
Look up "Hadza people" on YouTube. They don't seem to have perfect teeth.

Not sure how representative they are (in this aspect) of hunter-gatherers these days though.

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by flir on Saturday August 22, 2020 @04:39PM (#24247098)
Read the last paras. The unanswered question is much more interesting than the stuff about Mews: How do orthodox orthodontists answer the anthrpologist?
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Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by dang on Saturday August 22, 2020 @07:25PM (#24248134)
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

"Don't be snarky."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by user_501238901 on Saturday August 22, 2020 @04:39PM (#24247102)
We have x-rays now, they don't need to be dead if we want verify if their teeth are crooked.
Re:How two British orthodontists became celebrities to incels by ganstyles on Saturday August 22, 2020 @04:54PM (#24247186)
On the other hand, I don't know any ten thousand year olds who are still alive.