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Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by labawi on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:30AM (#24232577)
Thermal radiative coupling is bidirectional. Sucking away is appropriate and important as you do actually have to displace the energy somewhere. It works the same way when sucking air.

A simpler non-radiating equivalent would be a reflective foil, or a polished metal - you could enclose yourself within it, get no radiating heat from environment, yet it wouldn't help cool you, because your radiation has no place to go.

Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by taneq on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:12AM (#24234205)
> It works the same way when sucking air.

This is a good analogy because (being pedantic) you can't suck air either. You can only make a region of lower pressure, into which the higher-pressure air pushes itself.

Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by labawi on Friday August 21, 2020 @10:39AM (#24235252)
May I then ask what can you suck, by your definition?
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by taneq on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:04PM (#24236015)
Good question! 'Sucking' here is a bit like 'centrifugal force' - it's a real thing, but only in the right frame of reference.

In the case of centrifugal force, it's a real thing in a rotating reference frame, but doesn't exist in an inertial reference frame (because in that frame the acceleration is towards the center, ie. centripetal).

In the case of suction, it's a real thing when your zero-pressure reference point is above 'absolute zero' pressure, such as when you're measuring gauge pressure. In this case you can have an area of 'negative pressure' which is 'sucking' the surrounding fluid into it.

Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by ladberg on Friday August 21, 2020 @04:03AM (#24233012)
I still feel like "sucking" is misleading because it doesn't change how much heat you radiate, only how much heat is radiated on to you. A better analogy would be like a curtains for heat.
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by ants_a on Friday August 21, 2020 @04:39AM (#24233165)
I think that the analogy is used because people underestimate how much heat is lost to radiation. Human body radiates energy away at about 800W. It's not noticeable, because normally it is balanced by a similar flux of thermal radiation coming in from the environment. If the apparent radiative temperature of the environment is reduced it can indeed feel like it is sucking heat out.
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by CorrectHorseBat on Friday August 21, 2020 @05:34AM (#24233429)
You're off by about an order of magnitude there. The human body uses ~10MJ per day which is ~100W. This not only includes radiation losses but also convection and evaporation.
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by froj on Friday August 21, 2020 @07:12AM (#24233885)
> normally it is balanced by a similar flux of thermal radiation coming in from the environment

The parent comment wasn't talking about net power dissipation. 800W radiation would be the case if the environment was at 0K. Usually, the environment radiates about 800W back at you.

Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by ants_a on Friday August 21, 2020 @06:12AM (#24233599)
I am not. As I said this outgoing radiation is mostly balanced by incoming radiation. But it does illustrate the theoretical maximal capacity for radiative cooling, when stuck naked in interstellar space.
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by julienfr112 on Friday August 21, 2020 @06:37AM (#24233729)
That's a bit misleading. It's like saying i can blow at a pressure of 16 psi in the void, but when I blow into a balloon whith the atmospheric pressure of the environnement, I can only reach 2 psi. The 16 psi is purely theorical.
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by froj on Friday August 21, 2020 @07:17AM (#24233905)
That seems like a false analogy. In the case of thermal radiation you actually are emitting photons with a total power of 800W independent of your environment.
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by CorrectHorseBat on Friday August 21, 2020 @07:24AM (#24233938)
My bad, you're right.
Re:“Cold Tube” cooling system uses half the energy of an air... by taneq on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:13AM (#24234213)
Wow, I'd never realised the total radiative transfer was that high! I guess this explains why those silver foil emergency blankets work so well...