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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by hammock on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:11PM (#24228272)
Who says driving for Uber/Lyft should be a full-time job, or statutorily viable as a full-time job? If you consider it only as a second or third job, then it makes a lot more sense that your second or third job is not going to pay as well or have the same benefits as your first job. Those aspects would be expected and reasonable. The low-risk, high-reward jobs fill your primary job slot, then you seek other options as needed. (After all, if it was any different, you might quit your first job and drive for rideshare instead)
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by jeffbee on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:23PM (#24228446)
This is just repeating TNC company propaganda. Nobody is saying this has to be a full-time job. Many, many people work part-time jobs and they are all employees of their workplace. Many of these people also have second part-time jobs, where they are also legally employees of the second company.
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by URSpider94 on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:05AM (#24232447)
This is a common logical fallacy promoted by low-wage employers. To turn it around, why should anyone be happy to make LESS per hour for the extra hours in a day they are working?

Fast food restaurants like to argue that they keep their wages low because their workers are young students who just want some pocket money for a car or concert tickets. If you’ve walked into a McDonalds lately, you may have noticed that more of their employees are middle aged folks or even seniors who are trying to supplement their retirement savings.

I often ask my rideshare driver about why they drive, how long they’ve been driving, etc. Very few of them are driving as a hobby or to pick up some side cash. For most of them, it’s their main source of income.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by jon-wood on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:19PM (#24228390)
That you don’t bat an eyelid at people needing a second or third job to make ends meet is in itself an indictment of the general state of the US.
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by macinjosh on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:51PM (#24228796)
Why is it necessarily better for someone to have a single job verses multiple gigs? Not everyone wants to be a shift worker or office drone. Its just an implementation detail of the economy not some sort of indicator of a problem.
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by ivalm on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:03PM (#24230033)
If you have multiple gigs then at least one of those gigs should provide basic benefits such as insurance. What gig is better at doing it than the gig powered by a megacorp?
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by the-dude on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:25PM (#24229190)
I was amazed at the series Breaking Bad, that a teacher would take a summer job to make ends meet. At a carwash no less.

I have brought this up here before and got all kinds of justifications : he has a big house, he has a special needs kid.

I don't think there is any teacher in NL taking summer jobs to make ends meet.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by barry-cotter on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:36PM (#24230653)
> I was amazed at the series Breaking Bad, that a teacher would take a summer job to make ends meet. At a carwash no less.

Breaking Bad isn’t supposed to be a documentary. Teachers don’t have summer jobs at car washes. Tutoring is both easier and pays better, as does summer school. Working at a car wash is an example of shitty choices, as is his entire relationship with his wife. It’s like his decision to go into drugs in the first place. He’s a public sector employee. He does not need to make drugs to get excellent health care. He does it because he wants to. Working at the car wash is not something he needs to do, it’s a way of expressing his martyr complex.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by chrischattin on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:30PM (#24228541)
Who said they needed the extra gig to make ends meet? Some people might just enjoy it, or want to earn a little extra during their free time, or have a seat open on their commute.

To view temp/gig work with a full-time lens is disingenuous, imo.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by skybrian on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:13PM (#24228299)
What happens in practice is that people try to make ends meet with two or three crappy part-time jobs, because that's all they can find.

(Insert plug for UBI here.)

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by malandrew on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:18PM (#24230154)
Passing laws to eliminate crappy jobs doesn't magically make non-crappy jobs come into existence.

Unsure where UBI comes into the picture either since UBI also does not make non-crappy jobs magically come into existence.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by skybrian on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:28PM (#24231361)
It doesn't solve anything, but having an income stream that's not connected with your job should help make crappy jobs livable, and also increase bargaining power for workers, due to having better alternatives.

Also, increased spending does tend to result in more jobs, at least in normal times.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by malandrew on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:53AM (#24232101)
Can you provide a specific fairly objective definition of what a "crappy" job is?

Is it just a job you don't like doing?

How does adding UBI address bargaining power beyond a temporary fix? Eventually prices will adjust to take into account the buying power of UBI. UBI will become the new baseline and people on UBI will lose the benefits of that buying power. Not denying that UBI won't provide a temporary fix, but there is nothing about UBI prevents the market from adjusting to take into account UBI.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by gmadsen on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:16PM (#24228340)
if only the people who were driving as an addition to their primary job, uber would be severely hampered. the ease of access and response is predicated on full time uber drivers
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by Skunkleton on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:54PM (#24228829)
You can't really compare yearly salaries unless you pick something to standardize on. You will notice that I didn't pick on benefits at all. I would guess that the reality is most people depending on rideshare for a living are doing multiple jobs.